re: Pitch clock has helped baseball tremendously

It was working. The numbers are readily available and I can link them if you want. Teams and pitching development responded and emphasized high spin up in the zone and offense has gone back down. Is there an assumption that pitchers don’t try to get better as well?

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are you under the assumption that pitching wouldn't try to adjust in kind?

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They would. But Drafting and developing a type of player for a 162 game season and "moneyball analytics" has killed the game from an entertainment standpoint. NBA/NFL plays the 2nd half of the 4th quarter differently than the other 3.5. Baseball doesn't. Kind of the problem.

It may have worked for smaller market teams but the product is so boring to watch is killing the game. I don't know what the answer is. But "baseball strategy" doesn't exist anymore. That may be extreme but you know what I mean. Pitching changes are even scripted.

I would prefer more of an "exciting" late inning baseball game but I may be in the minority there. But exciting to me is taking 99 up and in and hitting a groundball to the 2nd baseman to score the run from third.

Drove me crazy watching them try it in spring ball, but I have come to like it.

Your opinion comes off as very negative and disrespectful.

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Are triples still a thing? I don’t hear anything about them anymore. They were a big thing in 80’s and 90’s era.

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Batters agile enough to leg out a triple aren't what hit doubles and homeruns. So there aren't a whole of chances for them. The fast contact hitter who can spray one down the RF line isn't really a thing anymore.

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Caught most of the Dodgers-Cubs game yesterday. Game flows much more smoothly without all the down time between pitches. Much easier product to watch on tv. There were even a couple of stolen bases.

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I went to the Nationals game this past Friday. The pitch clock made the game even more enjoyable in person. I think the game lasted a little over 2 and 1/2 hours.

I agree...I recently went to a Braves game.
It was an enjoyable/entertaining experience.
Game only lasted around 2 hrs 15 minutes.
Baseball's getting more popular by the day with the new rule changes.

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I think the one complaint I have heard from the players was that they would like a little more time between pitches in late inning, close games...just so they can clear their head and lock in.

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I listen to Ian Happ's podcast and he loves the pitch clock but would like to see maybe 17 seconds between pitches when no one is on base instead of 15 and just common sense things like if a better gets has to hit the deck or something like that to avoid an inside pitch, don't start the clock immediately give him time to get up and dusted off....common sense stuff like that.

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Well not necessarily but "moneyball analytics" don't care about the micro. It is a macro method of baseball.

To get the ball elevated, you need to catch the ball out front of the plate. To do this you must "cheat" or make up your mind earlier. This leads to more swing and miss. Not to mention contracts are set up to be pro extra base hits and no negative towards striking out.

So in the macro I don't think the front offices are trying to make the offenses worse but in the micro it is very plausible that it is.

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if nobody is on base, what is the difference between a strikeout and a ground ball to second? what one out of every 100 you get on base? if that

bottomline is the analytics say

if you have an exit velo of this...your best chance to get a hit is to hit the ball at this angle

and quite frankly you dont have africking clue about hitting. you dont have to catch the ball out front to elevate, has zero to do with it and quite frankly shows you dont know anything about hitting.

and this is exhibit A on why people who have zero clue about hitting should STFU about "launch angle"

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It definitely makes the game less exciting but I also understand why baseball is moving to this boom or bust(HR or strikeout) type model.

Pitchers are just getting too good, defense is just getting too good. You can't just bang out 3 or 4 basehits in a game as often as in the past, so you have to take big chances.

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Now try to do that when it seems like EVERY pitcher is throwing 95+ with a nasty slider/cutter.

Middle relievers now have stuff above average closers 15 years ago could only dream of. Starting pitchers don’t care about going the distance or even 7. If they get 5 innings at max effort the managers are happy.

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this is what people do not understand. there is a reason the shift and launch angle came along, just trying to prevent or generate base hits

the pitching is 10x what it was in the 80s adn early 90s. Everyone is throwing 95+ with 12" run. its insane.

bottomline is the launch angle stuff frankly comes from looking at the stats. players say, ok i have an average bat speed and exit velo of this....what launch angle gives me the best chance to get a base hit percentage wise?

once they have that figured out, they start training to produce that launch angel consitently, they do this by adjusting attack angle. once they get used to the adjusted attack angle and can consistently hit the ball with that approach they work smash factor, over and over and swing decisions over and over. all while still trying to imrpove bat speed and early bat acceleration behind the ball.

and everyone likes to shite all over the launch angle and the high level patterning swing type, but guess who was the first to put this type of hitting out....MR TED WILLIAMS, only the greatest hitter of all time.


as far as strikeouts....they are up, not because of the "launch angle BS", they are up because pitching was using tech and got way way way out in front of hitting. Hitting is just now catching up with all the new tech out. it will eventually adjust some but also understand that its going to get increasingly harder to hit as pitching has made leaps and bounds and shows no signs of slowing down.

and as mentioned, pitchers know now i can go out and give 100% for 4 or maybe 5 innings max and not have to throw at 90% trying to go 7 or 8. so everyone is pitching way less overall innings and overall pitches, they are stronger, arm care is way way better, use video to look at seam shifting to produces pitches that fit your biomechanics etc etc etc.


no offense against most on here, but yall are 20-30 years behind the game and frankly have no clue what you are talking about. listen to oilfield, apparently he gets it, couple others too.

but we are never going back to guys hitting 3 or 4 singles in a row. defense is way way way too fast and good now, the pitchers are way way too good and the catchers are way too good. nobody is getting up there and throwign 88 anymore with 4" run, just not happening.

just look at the strikezone. we get annoyed with an umpire is at 97% on strikes, in the 80-90s a good umpire would have been in the upepr 80 low 90 percentage wise by todays standards. just go look at old videos on youtube and see for yourself.