re: Pitch clock has helped baseball tremendously

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At 7 basic mechanical fundamentals are still import to reinforce, proper load, stride direction, etc.

Hitting ball hard consistently is largely dependent on bat speed. This can be easily developed and measured. Buy a blast motion bat sensor. You can see attack angle, bat speed and other metrics.

If a kid is swinging with a negative angle he will pound balls into the ground. At 7u many of those will be hits. By 9u 90% of them will outs.

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this. diamond kinetics is good too, prolly better but blast is supported much better and more have it.

start training bat speed and throwing velo now. its important. another great reference is chad longworth, in fact he has a diagrahm on how to run a 7u practice on his twitter.

anotehr thing, hits to the back of the cage, thats a ground out buy 9 if its not still elevating.

and yea by 8, the good teams...a ground ball, hard or not is an out 80% of the time and by 9u, its 90% like ryno said.

you should teach them to elevate the ball and never have a negative attack angle. negative attack angle is hard habit to break. bottomline is as they get older ground balls become auto outs, so we dont teach that.

dont live for the moment and award them for getting on base because 7u kids cant field. teach them correct mechanics to elevate teh ball.

some resources

josh cathcart (hitting done right)
Antonelli Baseball (has a cert course)
baseball rebellion
teacherman also gritnj and castrobros(hlp hitting)
driveline(youth podcast also and jason ochart)
npt hitting (david wessels)
epstein hitting (has a cert course)
the hitting vault

can give more if needed

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My big question is why is there an obsession with shortening baseball games and not football or basketball games. If someone goes to a game and gets home at 10:30 PM, there’s no complaints. For baseball, it’s suddenly a big issue

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umm tons of complaints abotu the length of football games now, especially college and especially when on cbs

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you should teach them to elevate the ball and never have a negative attack angle. negative attack angle is hard habit to break. bottomline is as they get older ground balls become auto outs, so we dont teach that.

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This is a ridiculously bad idea. Hard ground balls lead to line drives that lead to back-spun lines drives that get out. I'm in no way saying teaching a negative attack angle but the older you get, if you hit it up and it doesn't get out of the park it is an out.

Unless you look like Bryce Harper or Kris Bryant you shouldn't be trying to hit top spin fly balls. It works for them because of their size and leverage. It isn't a good philosophy for the average everyday player.

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umm tons of complaints abotu the length of football games now, especially college and especially when on cbs

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And those games are 4+ hours. If you made those games 2 hours, people would complain that they were too short.

Nice! Good luck. We are off this weekend. Heading to BR next weekend.

Wildcatters deal is crazy. $7m budget. Their 10u majors team has kids from a 100 mile radius. They are damn good. We almost beat them on a Sunday a few weeks ago. Lost in extra innings. Not bad for a team of kids who all go the same elementary school.

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Sorry I have lived it for over a decade. You are like a med student right out of school. You haven't been in the trenches. And don't say you have when the pitchers your kids see is 65 with no off speed.

You probably don't understand the concept of getting you front foot down "early" to make a decision not to start the swing. And you probably teach a leg kick/ toe tap to 9 year olds to get power.

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so have i

and yea we see 65 at 10 with off speed

let kick has nothing to do with power and no i dont teach that, that would be you and your type. i teach high level patterning without the head movement, i teach early acceleration, get on path early, bat speed, bat speed, bat speed bat speed, smash factor and swing decisions. essentially rotate the frickign box, use tilt and hip hinge to angle correctly.

but nice try.

as far as ground balls turning into line drives....no, no they dont. negative attack angle or zero attack angle never ever ever turns into a line drive

let me guess mr jeff frye, you teach swing down to the ball? because thats what you think you did right?

you have no clue about hitting, done arguing with you. again go research the people i linked. go listen to every single driveline youth podcast, every epstein podcast, watch every video cathcart puts out, bill miller etc etc etc and then get back to me.

you literally have no clue. hell just go read ted willaims science of hitting. it can be found with simple google search. your takes are horrible.

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so have i

and yea we see 65 at 10 with off speed

let kick has nothing to do with power and no i dont teach that, that would be you and your type. i teach high level patterning without the head movement, i teach early acceleration, get on path early, bat speed, bat speed, bat speed bat speed, smash factor and swing decisions. essentially rotate the frickign box, use tilt and hip hinge to angle correctly.

but nice try.

as far as ground balls turning into line drives....no, no they dont. negative attack angle or zero attack angle never ever ever turns into a line drive

let me guess mr jeff frye, you teach swing down to the ball? because thats what you think you did right?

you have no clue about hitting, done arguing with you. again go research the people i linked. go listen to every single driveline youth podcast, every epstein podcast, watch every video cathcart puts out, bill miller etc etc etc and then get back to me.

you literally have no clue. hell just go read ted willaims science of hitting. it can be found with simple google search. your takes are horrible.

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Travel Ball Lyfe!!!! Keep winning trophies for going 2-4 at the 4th World Series of the year.

When you kid never plays in HS just know that the 5-8 Second baseman trying to hit fly balls ain't going to cut it. When he starts fouling everything over the 1st base dugout or pulling everything foul on the pull side and you wonder why, I'll tell you. But I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

The issue is you shouldn't be trying to emulate the pros. They are drafted for measurables to hit in a certain philosophy using analytics. The HS and college game is a completely different game.

It it isn't about walks and homeruns. It is about not striking out, putting the ball in play, hard line drives gap to gap. And if home runs happen then great.

9 guys going up to the plate trying to hit fly balls in a high school game equals losses. So yeah bat speed and launch angle is good, but if you can't catch up to 85 because you bat lags then you aren't doing anyone any good. Consistent solid contact with line drives gap to gap works. Along with not striking out. It has been successful for ages. To do that you need to get the barel in the zone early, straight to the ball (knob to the ball) staying inside the ball (Not getting around it and hooking it) and keep it there for when you are fooled (barrel in the zone towards the pitcher as long as possible before rolling over. Straight to it, long through it). You don't deal with this yet because the pitching isn't there).

But I get it, you don't see velo with multiple off speed on a regular basis. But trying to emulate what the pros are doing isn't a good idea. It doesn't work. Their goals in the box are different than that of a high school or college player (Outside of the SEC).

I see way too many kids foul off good pitches because they spin off or run out of bat and have no 2 strike approach because they have never been taught it. Then they fly out to center, fly out to left and roll over ground ball to SS and wonder why they can't kit.

All hitting coaches want show improvement to get your money. They want exit velo improvement or bat speed improvement. (I'll put this radar on him hitting off the tee and show you how harder he hits it.) But can he hit a changeup with 2 strikes? Can he hit a fastball on the black over the 2B head in the right center gap? They aren't worried about hitting in games. So I'll listen and learn. But what they want out of a hitter and what I want out of a hitter are 2 different things. I want a guy hitting .375 with a .450 OBP and a bunch of doubles. Not .225 with a couple of bombs and hitting it deep to the OF where the outfielder is camped and the kid jogs around 1B with a smile heading back to the dugout because he thinks he did something.

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The issue is you shouldn't be trying to emulate the pros. They are drafted for measurables to hit in a certain philosophy using analytics. The HS and college game is a completely different game.

It it isn't about walks and homeruns. It is about not striking out, putting the ball in play, hard line drives gap to gap. And if home runs happen then great.

9 guys going up to the plate trying to hit fly balls in a high school game equals losses. So yeah bat speed and launch angle is good, but if you can't catch up to 85 because you bat lags then you aren't doing anyone any good. Consistent solid contact with line drives gap to gap works. Along with not striking out. It has been successful for ages. To do that you need to get the barbell in the zone early straight to the ball (knob to the ball) and keep it there for when you are fooled. (you don't deal with this yet because the pitching isn't there).

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so you didnt read a single fricking thing i linked did you?

because nowhere did it say to use a 35 degree launch angle with a hitter that is 12u and has 44mph bat speed. quite the opposite. nor should you use a 35 degree launch angle for kids that cant put it out the ball park.

launch angle isnt just abotu hitting fly balls!!!!! how hard is that to understand.

lets look at 10u kids for examples

your really good kids can get exit velo up over 70mph even mid 70s for the really elite kids. the good kids are going to be in the mid 50s to low 60s

now i would teach a kid that hits it 55mph on average to try and lift the ball at 35*, thats retarded. he isnt that kind if hitter, but i sure as frick dont want him hitting it at -5 degrees either because thats an out 98% of the time at the high AAA and majors level. I would teach 9-20 launch angle because that is the best chance at a line drive in the gap.

the kid who hits it 70-75...would be 20-30

it has to match your swing speed, how hard is that to understand

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The HS and college game is a completely different game.

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no it isnt. the collge game is almost exactly liek the pros and high level hs is too. 1a ball...2a ball and bad ball clubs up and down the roster...yea pretty close.

go watch barbe play sam houston and get back to me.

the point though is so many want to be good at 12 instead of focusing on skills that scale. the big field is an equalizer. ground balls or even low line drives(like to the back of the cage) are outs on the big field 90%+ of the time. so why the hell would you teach a kid to hit that?

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9 guys going up to the plate trying to hit fly balls in a high school game equals losses.

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this shows you dont know shite about launch angle. again go read what i linked. please!!

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So yeah bat speed and launch angle is good, but if you can't catch up to 85 because you bat lags then you aren't doing anyone any good. Consistent solid contact with line drives gap to gap works.

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so slow bat speed helps catch up to 85? lol and 85 is slow AF at good HS games.

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o do that you need to get the barbell in the zone early straight to the ball (knob to the ball) and keep it there for when you are fooled. (you don't deal with this yet because the pitching isn't there).

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no shite(except knob to the ball), thats what early acceleration means. it means getting on path early, knob to the pitcher (not the ball) and you rotate, not pushing. knob to the ball is pushing and is exact opposite of what you should do. again you are confusing some MLB player showing you feel vs what they actually do and again show you have no clue on hitting mechanics.

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But I get it, you don't see velo with multiple off speed on a regular basis. But trying to emulate what the pros are doing isn't a good idea. It doesn't work. Their goals in the box are different than that of a high school or college player (Outside of the SEC).

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ok bud.... whatever you say. lets not teach kid proper swing mechanics because we dont want to swing like the best. fricking idiot man.

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I see way too many kids foul off good pitches because they spin off or run out of bat and have no 2 strike approach because they have never been taught it. Then they fly out to center, fly out to left and roll over ground ball to SS and wonder why they can't kit.

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kids usually foul off good pitches because they are rotating off and not tilting.

they dont have a 2 strike approach because they have had shite teachers and coaches. i never said anythign about not havign a 2 strike approach if runner is on.

if runner isnt on, your job is to stay alive and run up pitch count until you have something you can drive and hit hard, not jsut tap to 2nd base for an easy out, thats retarded. rather strikeout than be a fricking judy.

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hen they fly out to center, fly out to left and roll over ground ball to SS and wonder why they can't kit.

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wait i thought you liked ground balls and hitting it out front? guess what causes rolloevr? early supination and timing being off and rolling over trying to hit it way out front instead of letting it travel, staying connected and driving the ball.

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All hitting coaches want show improvement to get your money. They want exit velo improvement or bat speed improvement. (I'll put this radar on him hitting off the tee and show you how harder he hits it.) But can he hit a changeup with 2 strikes? Can he hit a fastball on the black over the 2B head in the right center gap? They aren't worried about hitting in games. So I'll listen and learn. But what they want out of a hitter and what I want out of a hitter are 2 different things. I want a guy hitting .375 with a .450 OBP and a bunch of doubles. Not .225 with a couple of bombs and hitting it deep to the OF where the outfielder is camped and the kid jogs around 1B with a smile heading back to the dugout because he thinks he did something.

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no dumbass...hitting coaches with out using data are stealing you money. using exit velo and bat speed improvements is measurable data to prove you are getting better. sorry but 12u johnny hitting 4 ground balls in AA ball going 4 -4 doesnt mean he got better.

aagin you literalyl are arguing the opposite of every singel fricking person who works and DEVELOPS high level hitters.

i played ball too, was taught plenty of things i now know were way way wrong. you should learn the same.

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. I want a guy hitting .375 with a .450 OBP and a bunch of doubles

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know how you get that? by teaching and developing bat speed and correct launch angle to match. you do realize as bat speed goes up, average goes up too right? look at the stats dude.


seriously this is my last post in this thread and why i dont post over here much. so many on this board have zero clue about baseball, hitting mechanics, pitching, the game in general or how to develop strength/velo/exit velo but come on here and act like experts. they cant link a single person teaching what they say, instead just keep saying....no, thats not true with no proof and when offered links to dozens of places...they say YOU CANT TRAIN LIKE THE PROS!!!

way too many on this board stuck in 1998, especially the resident hs coaches with a few exceptions. got people on here that think you shouldnt train bat speed or throwing hard while gettign smashed by teams that do just that.

have a good day, i left you with enough reading material to last you the next month if you really wanna learn. if you want to take it to the next level, email me and ill send you all kinds of books on how to develop bat speed, how to organize and program lifting, throwing, hitting programs and courses. lmk and good luck in the playoffs coach, cause you are going to need it.