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re: Philadelphia 76ers Eject Fan for "Free Hong Kong" Poster
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:25 pm to sms151t
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:25 pm to sms151t
Do I think people necessarily care about human rights in China? No.
Do I think people will care about American works being censored because of potential issues in China? Probably.
Censorship is touchy in this country to begin with. Having it blatantly pointed out that a large foreign power dictate what we can and can’t watch in the US will likely get a visceral response.
Do I think people will care about American works being censored because of potential issues in China? Probably.
Censorship is touchy in this country to begin with. Having it blatantly pointed out that a large foreign power dictate what we can and can’t watch in the US will likely get a visceral response.
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Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:25 pm to JBeam
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even The Athletic is punting on this story, and have disabled comments on all NBA/China stories.
Wow, for real?
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:25 pm to McCaigBro69
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Curious what would happen if someone yelled ‘Free all slaves’
Nothing at all. Probably some looks of confusion that's about it.
Side note: Lololololol at all the downvotes to my earlier post. Jesus just wanted to add context that's all frick Communism.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:26 pm to JBeam
It isn’t bizarre. Look into their ownership.
Chances are Tencent owns a large piece of them and is saying “kill this story”.
Chances are Tencent owns a large piece of them and is saying “kill this story”.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:26 pm to teke184
Dumbass tilman @ing ESPN in his morey rant
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:28 pm to JBeam
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The NBA isn't going anywhere because of this issue.
Of course not. Their credibility is taking a hit, though. And how this situation plays out could affect other businesses with ties to China, like you said.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:28 pm to teke184
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Having it blatantly pointed out that a large foreign power dictate what we can and can’t watch in the US will likely get a visceral response.
How is this affecting what we can watch in the US? It is not. The Chinese have blacked it out in China, not here. That is why it is a no win.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:28 pm to sms151t
quote:No, but I think a part of that is lack of information that can easily be plastered on national TV. The more of these big names that get caught up in this, the more attention on the matter. There are leaks most certainly confirming Nazi Germany/USSR gulag type stuff is going on, and if that was on the forefront of the media, I'm really not sure how the average citizen would feel to be honest.
Do you really think a vast amount of people really care what the Chinese do to their citizenry?
quote:I'm a fan of not being the world police we have been, but I'm not opposed to Americans making statements on matters like this, nor do I see a reason for us to be.
We are not the world's morality police.
quote:Agreed.
Tilman dealt with this with Morey, it is over. Our values do not coincide with China's or the Communist for the most part. The NBA trying to save a dollar screwed it up.
quote:Also agreed. NBA and China both fricked up here, although China likely perceives it as just operating normally.
This is a no win for both sides on this.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:29 pm to sms151t
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Do you really think a vast amount of people really care what the Chinese do to their citizenry? Americans want cheap goods with some quality. You could go ask 100 random folks on the street today what their stance is and it would be like watching a Waters World gotcha or Kids Say the Darnedest Things episode.
America truly does not care. We are not the world's morality police.
This China-Rockets controversy helps to highlight the difference between standing for the flag and standing for the principles that the flag is meant to represent. So before every Houston Rockets game when you stand for the flag, remember that Fertitta et al. just wants you to look patriotic, not actually be patriotic. For if you were truly an American patriot who stood for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you'd champion those causes anywhere and everywhere.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:29 pm to JBeam
quote:Oh absolutely. I just hope this bites them fricking hard to make a point that pissing off your home base (Americans) to appease a communist dictatorship is a shitty idea.
The NBA isn't going anywhere because of this issue.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:31 pm to sms151t
Look into the history of China and Disney. A lot of story elements have to be filtered through China to see if the film can get a release there.
If a film won’t get a release in China, it likely won’t get made because China is considered such a key market.
Remember when the Red Dawn remake had to edit everything after the fact and chance a Chinese invasion to a North Korean one?
If a film won’t get a release in China, it likely won’t get made because China is considered such a key market.
Remember when the Red Dawn remake had to edit everything after the fact and chance a Chinese invasion to a North Korean one?
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:31 pm to sms151t
quote:I think his point was moreso the concept of the Chinese government influencing corporations in the USA in such a way as to censor their employees, say for example that the NBA hard shut down any HK support amongst its players and coaches in response to this, would get a severe & harsh reaction from the American populace.
How is this affecting what we can watch in the US? It is not. The Chinese have blacked it out in China, not here. That is why it is a no win.
A sort of indirect censorship if you will.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:32 pm to Mr Perfect
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500 milli in China is larger than the 2-3 milli disgruntled tradcons
You can’t be this obtuse.
You can simply google purchasing power and not be so misinformed you know.
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you knew what I meant anyways dude
Everyone knows what you mean. You’re still wrong.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:32 pm to teke184
quote:Highly unlucky. This isn't the first nor will it be the last time that an American made product was censored to please China. It's been happening in the TV/Film industry for decades now. A small minority has spoken out. But it doesn't have much traction.
Do I think people will care about American works being censored because of potential issues in China? Probably.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:33 pm to JBeam
Doesn’t have traction yet.
But it appears to be building as China insists that free speech in the US doesn’t mean what we think it means while the NBA continues to dither.
But it appears to be building as China insists that free speech in the US doesn’t mean what we think it means while the NBA continues to dither.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:34 pm to JBeam
quote:All true, but I don't really recall a situation ever like this one, at least in terms of public attention and backlash that may actually have significant traction.
This isn't the first nor will it be the last time that an American made product was censored to please China. It's been happening in the TV/Film industry for decades now. A small minority has spoken out. But it doesn't have much traction.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:35 pm to Kodar
quote:Meh...Americans playing morality police is pretty comical to me. Especially when we flip a coin on dictatorships all the time.
Oh absolutely. I just hope this bites them fricking hard to make a point that pissing off your home base (Americans) to appease a communist dictatorship is a shitty idea.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:35 pm to JBeam
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This China-Rockets controversy helps to highlight the difference between standing for the flag and standing for the principles that the flag is meant to represent. So before every Houston Rockets game when you stand for the flag, remember that Fertitta et al. just wants you to look patriotic, not actually be patriotic. For if you were truly an American patriot who stood for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you'd champion those causes anywhere and everywhere.
Goddamn that was well said.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:35 pm to JBeam
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if you were truly an American patriot who stood for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you'd champion those causes anywhere and everywhere.
So it is our job as Americans and members of the Western societies to dictate to a sovereign government how to do their job?
I understand your point, but lets get real...
It is not our place to tell anyone else how to live their life. It is a basic Nature/Nurture type of argument. We think our way is the best, they think theirs is the best. They have basically thrown away Maoism and embraced some forms of capitalism. But again, it is not my place to tell someone how to live. I can give a suggestion, but I best be ready to deal with the consequences of my suggestion.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 1:37 pm to sms151t
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So it is our job as Americans and members of the Western societies to dictate to a sovereign government how to do their job?
No. Demonstrating our displeasure with such is not dictating to them.
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