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re: PGA Tour disciplines golfers 'who have decided to turn their backs' on PGA for LIV

Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:11 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112643 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:11 am to
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They’re not going to announce a time frame and don’t have to

That's not what I asked.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71308 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:11 am to
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I wonder if people can transfer their membership to their children.

Possibly, and I'm sure they have much much lower rates for junior members (usually the cutoff age is 35-40 years old) just like almost every country club does.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112643 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:12 am to
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This wasn't the first time the Saudis tried to do this.

Just curious as I didn't follow this from the beginning, if the PGA was more proactive early on, how could they have squashed this?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:14 am to
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It's amazing how a guy worth $400 million has made you feel sorry for him


Is it? People on this board routinely simp for groups of people worth 100 Billion+ in their effort to make EVEN MORE money lmao.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63038 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:15 am to
Nobody here works for the PGA mate. Like I said, they haven’t announced what would happen in that scenario. Anything anyone says here is pure speculation
Posted by lsufb1912
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2021
5965 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:17 am to
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The thought of awarding points to a tour in which every player in the field is automatically guaranteed a finish for every tournament is ridiculous.

And in a 54 hole event no less. They aren't getting approved, especially with who is on the board for the OWGR. It would defy logic for them to grant the LIV application for OWGR status


Y'all are reaching for anything you can think of for why LIV should get denied.

The truth is LIV has been having discussions with OWGR throughout this process & they "expect to get OWGR points for their future events". They wouldn't say that or would have adjusted their format if OWGR had a problem with it. It's strictly based on strength of field & outside the PGA Tour, LIV has the strongest field and will only get stronger as they add Bryson, Reed, & Fowler.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:17 am to
@ the PGA.

They are coming off like a scorned lover.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61313 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:19 am to
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Is it? People on this board routinely simp for groups of people worth 100 Billion+ in their effort to make EVEN MORE money lmao.


Saying anything critical about Lord Elon results in a deluge of anger and downvotes over on the OT and Poli board.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108614 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:19 am to
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The truth is LIV has been having discussions with OWGR throughout this process & they "expect to get OWGR points for their future events". They wouldn't say that or would have adjusted their format if OWGR had a problem with it.




Holy shite. And lawyers never lie for their clients to the media either

Look, there are fricking horrible golfers in LIV. Horrible. If LIV had points, these horrible golfers would go and shoot +12 for the three days and still get points

It would be a mockery

Donald Young made a mockery of tennis rankings doing it this way with sponsors exemptions, so they adopted the “you must win a round to get points if you are exempted into the tournament”. Basically the equivalent to making a cut
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28136 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:22 am to

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The majors are in no way affiliated with the pga tour.


So how come their listed as PGA tour events?


LINK
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108614 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:24 am to
Because the PGA allows the Majors to count towards its status, but they have no affiliation
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71308 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:25 am to
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Y'all are reaching for anything you can think of for why LIV should get denied.


How is it reaching? The overall field is a joke. They aren't full events. There aren't cuts. Why should they get OWGR status? Because they want it and are paying a lot of money?
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they "expect to get OWGR points for their future events".

I'm sure they said that
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They wouldn't say that or would have adjusted their format if OWGR had a problem with it.

Uh, sure they would if they wanted players to come to their tour
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outside the PGA Tour, LIV has the strongest field

No it does not. Not at this point
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:27 am
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:27 am to
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Just curious as I didn't follow this from the beginning, if the PGA was more proactive early on, how could they have squashed this?


They were approached by several entities (I think both this Saudi-backed group and at least one other led by an attorney out of England) that pitched variations of a high profile, multi-event, beaucoup dollar series that could be integrated into the Tour. The Tour largely rebuffed them, though I do think they have continued to be in conversations with the PGL (the English-based group) on some of this.

It's not as straightforward as that, though. The Tour has a ton of stakeholders that they have to consider when making decisions like that, most especially players in the 50 - 200 range, Korn Ferry, sponsors, TV partners, charities, local governments in a lot of cases, etc., etc. That's probably the more significant reason why they didn't jump at these options right away, and it's why they'd have to essentially blow the whole thing up to really integrate this kind of thing, at least at this point. Standard case of a business probably moving too slow and a more nimble competitor out-maneuvering them, at least at first. LIV is going to have to eventually deal with a lot of those issues as well, especially if no one but the Asian Tour plays ball with them.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23429 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:36 am to
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The overall field is a joke.


Do you have proof of this? I'm honestly curious? There's only 48 golfers, without any effort I'd bet off hand the field as a whole is actually better than a PGA tour event if you just take the AVG ranking?

I'm not talking about a major, just an avg PGA tour event.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6734 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:41 am to
you'd be wrong
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71308 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:43 am to
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Do you have proof of this?

Yes, a list of the field is readily available.
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without any effort I'd bet off hand the field as a whole is actually better than a PGA tour event if you just take the AVG ranking?

Not even close, no.

Here is a link to an article with the LIV Tour players (even including Bryson) and their current OWGR. I'll let you do the math, but the average is not going to be even remotely close to the field in a PGA Tour event. About 20% of the field isn't even the top 500 in the world. There are a few just inside the top 2000 in the world. The field is really bad in comparison, bud.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:52 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23429 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:44 am to
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LIV is going to have to eventually deal with a lot of those issues as well, especially if no one but the Asian Tour plays ball with them.


What are the actual minimum qualifications some of these top guys would need to make some of the majors moving forwared? I'm not talking about guys like Phil that are supposed to have lifetime excempt after winning to play at the Masters. But the other guys and other tournaments, if they can play around the world in some Euro and Asian events outside of LIV and make a hell of a living AND qualify for some majors, the PGA tours going to have their hands full.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71308 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:45 am to
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What are the actual minimum qualifications some of these top guys would need to make some of the majors moving forwared?

world golf ranking, which is why it's such a big deal whether or not their application is approved
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108614 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:45 am to
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Do you have proof of this? I'm honestly curious? There's only 48 golfers, without any effort I'd bet off hand the field as a whole is actually better than a PGA tour event if you just take the AVG ranking?
There is a player in the field who has never broken par in one single round in a pro event

You award points to LIV, and he automatically gets a decent world ranking shooting 80 every week because he is guaranteed a finish

And we have so called fans of golf that want this to happen, who won’t see a single dime of LIV money, cause some PGA officials they never deal with are cotton headed ninny muffins
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:49 am
Posted by theone
LSU
Member since Nov 2005
2098 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:58 am to
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Look, there are fricking horrible golfers in LIV. Horrible. If LIV had points, these horrible golfers would go and shoot +12 for the three days and still get points


OWGR

This tournament is handing out points this week. Do you know a single player? probably not
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