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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:00 pm to Srbtiger06
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:00 pm to Srbtiger06
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Can the NCAA do anything that will have any effect on Paterno/the former president/the former AD/Sandusky?
No. Is Paterno/the former president/the former AD/Sandusky a member institution of the NCAA? I suggest you..
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Read dipshit
Penn State, as a member of the NCAA, will apparently face penalties from the NCAA's governing body for violating NCAA rules/bylaws/principles. The legal system will deal with individuals if they broke laws...the NCAA deals with Penn State if Penn State violated NCAA rules.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:01 pm
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What's the alternative within NCAA guidelines?
Why does there have to be a punishment? The parties directly involved will be punished elsewhere. Does the NCAA have to have such a large scope? Pretty powerful for a non-profit...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:01 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Two different things. Working as an engineer is different than joining a private organization that governs engineers.
How do you figure? What makes one a privilege and one a right?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:01 pm to MOT
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No. Is Paterno/the former president/the former AD/Sandusky a member institution of the NCAA?
EXACTLY. They can't do anything to the people that actually screwed up.
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Penn State, as a member of the NCAA, will apparently face penalties from the NCAA's governing body for violating NCAA rules/bylaws/principles.
Which is understandable since they were a member...but it is still bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:02 pm to Srbtiger06
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Which has what to do with the current athletic department?
The NCAA has never worried about the "current players". You're acting like those involved in the cover-up have been gone for 15 years. Joe Pa was still the coach 4 games ago. I realize that he passed away, and that the administration that cowered under Joe Pa is gone. But the culture at Penn St has allowed the football program to be above the law. And for that, the NCAA has the right to punish the program.
As for the new coaches, they knew that they were walking into a minefield. They knew that there weren't many qualified applicants for that position.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:03 pm to Srbtiger06
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Then punish, directly, the institution without punishing the current players
They hardly ever punish current players. Just usually limit schollys in the future.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:04 pm to Srbtiger06
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All I've gotten is "kids were anally raped".
That's not all that happened. The lack of institutional control, misuse of state funds, failure to enforce player rules, and host of other problems all came to light in the wake of the rape investigation, but the rape itself is not why the NCAA is involved.
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The difference is that the innocent weren't involved at all. The NCAA is punishing them for actions of people no longer associated with the program.
They're not getting the death penalty, so I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue about now.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:04 pm to Srbtiger06
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Why does there have to be a punishment? The parties directly involved will be punished elsewhere. Does the NCAA have to have such a large scope? Pretty powerful for a non-profit...
Penn State makes up the collective of the NCAA and gave them that power.
Secondly, Penn State (as you agreed) violated NCAA rules. Lack of institutional control specifically which is more then just those directly involved.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:04 pm to Srbtiger06
In the real world: The NCAA would strip that program of
several schollys and put restrictions on recruiting.
I'm sorry you don't like the way things are, but it's how the organization works.
several schollys and put restrictions on recruiting.
I'm sorry you don't like the way things are, but it's how the organization works.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:05 pm to Srbtiger06
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Clear and direct violation of rules AND they involve a student-athlete (which the NCAA looks out for right?). Fine the school, vacate some wins, put a show cause on said coach.
They don't have the authority to fine a school, vacating wins doesn't mean shite, and do you know what a show cause is?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:05 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Shutup. It falls under the pursuit of happiness, dickwad. It's a free country and we have the right to stuff like playing football if we want to.
Down at the city park maybe, but not on scholarship at a university. We'd all be in the Letterman's Association if we had our choice.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:05 pm to Choupique19
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The NCAA has never worried about the "current players".
So that makes it kosher?
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You're acting like those involved in the cover-up have been gone for 15 years. Joe Pa was still the coach 4 games ago.
The university dealt with him and those involved when things came to light. Again, where do the players come into this? The staff? The workers in the AD that had nothing to do with it?
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But the culture at Penn St has allowed the football program to be above the law. And for that, the NCAA has the right to punish the program.
No it didn't. You're acting like everyone and their mother knew and covered it up for decades. We're talking about the actions of a relative few.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:07 pm to Srbtiger06
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Which is understandable since they were a member...but it is still bullshite.
So your argument really has nothing to do with this situation, you just want the NCAA to go away in general?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:07 pm to Srbtiger06
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Why does there have to be a punishment? The parties directly involved will be punished elsewhere. Does the NCAA have to have such a large scope? Pretty powerful for a non-profit...
You're assuming a relative few. If we're talking lack of institutional control, by the NCAA definition, we're talking more than 5-6 people.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:08 pm to TheSexecutioner
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How do you figure? What makes one a privilege and one a right?
Voluntarily subjecting oneself to the rules of a governing body, like PSU in the NCAA. They have given over to allowing the NCAA enforcement committee to apply the group's rules. I see what you're are trying to say, the government on a macro level cannot unreasonably abridge one's right to pursue happiness. But the way you are making the argument here is mixing up enforcement of NCAA rules and legal rights. So basically you are right that one has the right to pursue a college career and play football if they so choose. But you do not have the "right" to play for an NCAA organization. In fact, it is a privilege to be such a member, sort of like playing in the NFL and you give up certain rights, ie. you could have your scholarship stripped and lose eligibility.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Secondly, Penn State (as you agreed) violated NCAA rules. Lack of institutional control specifically which is more then just those directly involved.
The rule violated is VERY subjective. Most would agree the morality clause was violated but we aren't talking about anything related to the student-athletes. The penalties won't effect those main culprits. It'll make some people feel good for a little bit but what does it really accomplish?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:09 pm to TheSexecutioner
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So what is working as an engineer? A right or a privilege?
Um, you realize you can't work as an engineer without a certification from a governing body, right?
I think TigerDroppings needs to impose an age minimum for the privilege of posting on this site.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:09 pm to genro
NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association is an organization that knowingly and willingly harbors pedophiles. A few members were recently arrested, but an investigation by the former FBI director shows that this culture still exists within the organization. The government would like to shut them down, but can't because there's guys who work in the NAMBLA mail-room who didn't know the truth about what NAMBLA was and are innocent. And they would lose their jobs. And that's wrong. Even though the government is offering them similar jobs elsewhere with equal pay.
This is what you people sound like.
This is what you people sound like.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:10 pm to MOT
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So your argument really has nothing to do with this situation, you just want the NCAA to go away in general?
I want the NCAA to govern and punish those involved rather than the whole. If they can't do that then tough shite, they can't.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:11 pm to Srbtiger06
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Again, where do the players come into this? The staff? The workers in the AD that had nothing to do with it?
I'm sorry, but the NCAA didn't make exceptions for USC because Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll were gone. Those current players faced bowl bans even though they weren't involved in that.
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But the culture at Penn St has allowed the football program to be above the law. And for that, the NCAA has the right to punish the program.
No it didn't. You're acting like everyone and their mother knew and covered it up for decades. We're talking about the actions of a relative few.
Everyone and their mother now knows exactly what happened, and yet many are crying and yelling a news reporters because they took down Joe Pa's statue. The Penn St fanbase motto is simple, "Because we used to win football games, we totally exonerate our beloved Joe Paterno from anything that sullies his legacy."
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