re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST

- The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule. In fact, according to available information, the NCAA has never interpreted, or issued sanctions under, existing rules to address only criminal violations (or the cover-up of criminal violations). Further, the NCAA has chosen to make criminal activity an NCAA rules-violation in limited circumstances (i.e., Bylaw 10.2 (Knowledge of Use of Banned Drugs) and Bylaw 31.2.3.4 (Banned Drugs))—and the activities described in the report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh are not addressed in the NCAA Division I Manual.

- The NCAA did not establish and publish a process and procedure to address the issues relevant in Penn State’s case. Instead, the NCAA is utilizing an ad-hoc process that has not been explained fully to the membership or the public.

- The NCAA is not adhering to its existing enforcement processes and procedures.

- The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals or other serious criminal misconduct.

- The NCAA failed to provide Penn State: (a) a written notice of allegations; (b) an opportunity to respond to the notice of allegations; (c) a hearing before an NCAA infractions committee to address the allegations; and (d) a process for an appeal of NCAA findings and sanctions.

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Voluntarily subjecting oneself to the rules of a governing body, like PSU in the NCAA. They have given over to allowing the NCAA enforcement committee to apply the group's rules. I see what you're are trying to say, the government on a macro level cannot unreasonably abridge one's right to pursue happiness. But the way you are making the argument here is mixing up enforcement of NCAA rules and legal rights. So basically you are right that one has the right to pursue a college career and play football if they so choose. But you do not have the "right" to play for an NCAA organization. In fact, it is a privilege to be such a member, sort of like playing in the NFL and you give up certain rights, ie. you could have your scholarship stripped and lose eligibility.

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Ah, I see. However, that's not what I called the guy who originally said it out for. What he meant, or at least my understanding of it, is that these football players don't have the right to play football. I agree that being a part of the NCAA definitely is not a right. But that's not what he said at all.

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But we also have the right to play for Penn St, or LSU, or whoever, if we are good enough to get accepted on their team.

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No, you don't. They can reject you even if you're good enough

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The original poster I called out talked about it as if it is a handout from Big Brother.

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No all I said was it's a privilege, not a right.

Playing college football at Penn State is not a "constitutional right" (your words) and everyone is owning you on this. If you can't understand this, just quit talking about it and go read a book.

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I'm sorry, but the NCAA didn't make exceptions for USC because Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll were gone. Those current players faced bowl bans even though they weren't involved in that.

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Yeah and I've actually stated my disagreement with that.

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Everyone and their mother now knows exactly what happened

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Yeah, they do. Now.

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yet many are crying and yelling a news reporters because they took down Joe Pa's statue.

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Oh shite, someone arrest them.

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The Penn St fanbase motto is simple, "Because we used to win football games, we totally exonerate our beloved Joe Paterno from anything that sullies his legacy."

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Does. Not. Matter.

I'm not gonna read 50+ pages before jumping in here, so pardon me if this has already been mentioned...but I doubt that it has.

There is obviously debate about whether or not the NCAA has jurisdiction over this matter, but there is one governing body that absolutely has jurisdiction over everything that happens on Penn State's campus, and it's surprising that the media hasn't picked up on this yet. Don't be surprised when the Middle State Commission on Higher Education wades into the fray.

The MIddle States Commission is the governing body that accredits Penn State...just like the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools accredits the universities in the Southeast. SACS put Auburn's accreditation on probation because of the actions of a couple of rogue trustees (see Bobby Lowder/Bobby Petrino/Jetgate). The MIddle States Commission obviously can take action against Penn State and do whatever they see fit...including revoking Penn State's accreditation. Should they? Probably not. Could they? Absolutely.

There are important school accreditation standards regarding integrity, school governance by the board and administration, the school climate and culture, and providing a safe environment. Penn State made a mockery of those standards. Many of those same members of the board of trustees still are there. And many alumni and students continue to be apologists for Paterno.

I don't think Penn State will have their accreditation revoked. I do think that it will be put on probation. If they did, however, it would make an NCAA football death penalty seem like a slap on the wrist.

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You're assuming this isn't Penn State self-imposing sanctions to avoid the lengthy investigation that would likely turn up more then just a cover up.

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You're assuming there is more than a cover-up. Again, guilty until proven innocent right?

If Penn State is doing this then fine. I still don't really agree with it though.

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You're assuming this isn't Penn State self-imposing sanctions to avoid the lengthy investigation that would likely turn up more then just a cover up. The NCAA had be awaiting response to a few questions regarding ethical bylaws and the scandal. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case here.

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I highly doubt Penn State chose to commit economic suicide if these sanctions are as bad as rumored.

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I want the NCAA to govern and punish those involved rather than the whole. If they can't do that then tough shite, they can't.

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So you didn't agree with the NCAA's ruling against USC or OSU?

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Find me another "job" where somebody gets paid so little(scholarship, stipend, etc) vs the amount of money they generate and thus the value they would get on an open market.

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Do track athletes produce net revenue for LSU?


How much do Olympians get paid?