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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:50 pm to tigerpimpbot
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:50 pm to tigerpimpbot
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We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and have the unalienable right to play college football. It's not a privilege, it's a right.
Shutup. It falls under the pursuit of happiness, dickwad. It's a free country and we have the right to stuff like playing football if we want to.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:52 pm to Srbtiger06
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All I've gotten is "kids were anally raped". That sucks and all, but shutting the AD down will do nothing for them. Neither did removing the statue.
I'm fairly certain the NCAA isn't going to punish them and cite the reason as "kids were anally raped". They will cite which bylaws were broken, what kind of NCAA infractions were committed...not what laws were broken.
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The difference is that the innocent weren't involved at all. The NCAA is punishing them for actions of people no longer associated with the program
The institution is ultimately responsible for adhering to NCAA rules. The NCAA is punshing the institution.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:52 pm to Srbtiger06
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Are you assuming no other big name college coach has that kind of power?
I think that the NCAA is letting it be known that the Universities better not allow their coaches to cover up criminal activity. Especially something as serious as the Sandusky crimes.
THE PENN STATE ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY SWEPT UNDER THE RUG THE RAPING OF YOUNG BOYS.
This was because the football coach didn't want any bad press to hurt his own legacy or the Penn St football team.
THE PENN ST ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED A KNOWN (to them) CHILD PREDATOR TO KEEP HIS OFFICE NEXT TO JOE PATERNO AND TO ENJOY THE FOOTBALL GAMES IN THE LUXURY SUITES INSIDE OF BEAVER STADIUM.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:52 pm to CerealKilla
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Does the athletic department's actions warrant major sanctions?
That's the slippery slope we're on. This had nothing to do with the student-athletes, who the NCAA is supposedly for. The major parties involved are being dealt with on a higher level. IN THIS CASE, nothing they can do will matter to those parties.
A side example, I don't agree with the USC situation either. They were hit for things that happened in 2004. Those players suffered. Maybe not a ton, but they had zero dealings with the situation.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:52 pm to TheSexecutioner
You don't have the "right" to play college football for an NCAA organization under any form of any constitution. Read some Edwin Chemerinski and get back to me. You're arguing that one has the right to play college football. The other poster said it's a privilege. You are being owned and you don't even know it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:53 pm to Choupique19
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I think that the NCAA is letting it be known that the Universities better not allow their coaches to cover up criminal activity. Especially something as serious as the Sandusky crimes.
THE PENN STATE ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY SWEPT UNDER THE RUG THE RAPING OF YOUNG BOYS.
This was because the football coach didn't want any bad press to hurt his own legacy or the Penn St football team.
THE PENN ST ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED A KNOWN (to them) CHILD PREDATOR TO KEEP HIS OFFICE NEXT TO JOE PATERNO AND TO ENJOY THE FOOTBALL GAMES IN THE LUXURY SUITES INSIDE OF BEAVER STADIUM.
Which has what to do with the current athletic department?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:54 pm to MOT
this discussion has become sad
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:54 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:I don't even know where to start with this one.
They have plenty of power but why should they?
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The culprits aren't within their scope
Penn State isn't a member institution of the NCAA? Link?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:54 pm to MontyFranklyn
Can't wait!
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to MOT
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I'm fairly certain the NCAA isn't going to punish them and cite the reason as "kids were anally raped". They will cite which bylaws were broken, what kind of NCAA infractions were committed...not what laws were broken.
So why are they citing them then? Does it have nothing to do with that?
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The institution is ultimately responsible for adhering to NCAA rules. The NCAA is punshing the institution.
Which I don't agree with. You don't punish everyone for the actions of a few.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to tigerpimpbot
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You don't have the "right" to play college football for an NCAA organization under any form of any constitution. Read some Edwin Chemerinski and get back to me. You're arguing that one has the right to play college football. The other poster said it's a privilege. You are being owned and you don't even know it.
So what is working as an engineer? A right or a privilege?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to Srbtiger06
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The culprits aren't within their scope in this case
LSU hires a new assistant football coach. He breaks every recruiting rule there is. His actions get LSU the top recruits in the nation. LSU wins many championships. However, before the NCAA finds out, LSU fires the coach.
Now that the coach is outside the scope of NCAA sanctions, should LSU not be punished?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to Srbtiger06
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PLEASE justify that one.
I already have. They signed up to abide by NCAA bylaws and knew that if a violation was committed, even if they personally did not commit the violation, that the program they belong to could be punished. Penn State violated NCAA ethics rules.
It sucks when it happens. But it is what it is. You can't just turn the cheek to NCAA violations because of the unpleasantness involved in the punishment for some because that's how the punishment is defined by the NCAA bylaws.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to Srbtiger06
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Which has what to do with the current athletic department?
The actions of the past administration are imputed on the university. That's how it works fundamentally. You haven't laid the proper predicate to logically support your position.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:55 pm to MOT
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Penn State isn't a member institution of the NCAA? Link?
Read dipshit. Can the NCAA do anything that will have any effect on Paterno/the former president/the former AD/Sandusky?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:56 pm to Srbtiger06
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A side example, I don't agree with the USC situation either. They were hit for things that happened in 2004. Those players suffered. Maybe not a ton, but they had zero dealings with the situation
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I already have. They signed up to abide by NCAA bylaws and knew that if a violation was committed, even if they personally did not commit the violation, that the program they belong to could be punished. Penn State violated NCAA ethics rules.
No disagreement here.
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It sucks when it happens. But it is what it is. You can't just turn the cheek to NCAA violations because of the unpleasantness involved in the punishment for some because that's how the punishment is defined by the NCAA bylaws.
And the punishment is bullshite.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:58 pm to TheSexecutioner
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So what is working as an engineer? A right or a privilege?
Two different things. Working as an engineer is different than joining a private organization that governs engineers.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:59 pm to Srbtiger06
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And the punishment is bullshite.
What's the alternative within NCAA guidelines?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 4:59 pm to CerealKilla
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LSU hires a new assistant football coach. He breaks every recruiting rule there is. His actions get LSU the top recruits in the nation. LSU wins many championships. However, before the NCAA finds out, LSU fires the coach.
Clear and direct violation of rules AND they involve a student-athlete (which the NCAA looks out for right?). Fine the school, vacate some wins, put a show cause on said coach.
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Now that the coach is outside the scope of NCAA sanctions, should LSU not be punished?
Then punish, directly, the institution without punishing the current players. Anyone that knew or was involved goes and gets the same show cause sanctions.
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