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Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:05 pm to volfan30
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The 2012 Penn State football team being punished would not satisfy me in any way
And if none of them were involved no one would face criminal charges.
I'm not sure why some of you have such a difficult time differentiating the NCAA and due process through the legal system. They are not the same.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:06 pm to RollTide1987
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If the coach cheats, the program should face NCAA sanctions as per their bylaws. If the coach does murder and university officials cover it up then they should all be thrown in jail with no other penalties added to the university. Punish the individuals who did the crime, not the university.
But the coverup is an ethics violation per NCAA bylaws. So you're saying the NCAA should defer to the FBI even though bylaws would be broken to constitute NCAA punishment?
You're cutting your nose off in spite of your face by saying the NCAA should enforce one and not the other.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:06 pm to fightingtiger2335
damn, this thread is still going on? gmorgan's hard on for this topic hasn't subsided? 
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:06 pm to PowerTool
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Why are you still trying to argue criminal justice? That's not what the NCAA does.
They just don't get it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:07 pm to PowerTool
The NCAA is the one saying that people violated their bylaws. They should find these people, do an investigation, and punish them. The NCAA doesn't do this, though. It collectively punishes and often punishes innocent people while doing nothing to the guilty. Expect for that to happen once again tomorrow.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:07 pm to ReauxlTide222
The NCAA can't individually punish people besides just suspending them or kicking them out of the NCAA. Any infractions committed lie on the shoulders of the people who hired and look over them (aka the Penn State athletic department) and it's always been this way. I don't know why people all of a sudden expect this to change.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:08 pm to Elleshoe
I took a break got bored got on and it was still happening. Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:08 pm to fightingtiger2335
I don't see how any non-Penn Stater can be THAT passionate about it either way
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:10 pm to volfan30
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those involved in the cover up
Was Penn St University! The head man involved was the head coach of the football team and the man raping little boy was a retired football coach who was let on campus while he was raping little boys.
Why don't you think the university should be held responsible for their employees actions? Again you think they should just fire everyone that was involved and everyone's happy and continue as normal? This is an idiotic way of thinking and it baffles me that anyone would think like this.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:10 pm to MOT
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I'm not sure why some of you have such a difficult time differentiating the NCAA and due process through the legal system. They are not the same.
I'm not sure why you have such a difficult time understanding what we're arguing.
shite we all agree on:
Legally handle all those directly involved
shite we all don't agree on:
Punish thousands of people not involved because we may have missed one or two during the legal process.
There is no argument from anyone on the legal grounds of things. The argument is the NCAA deciding to hammer lots of innocent people for the hell of it. They're ruling on morality.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:11 pm to RollTide1987
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If the coach cheats, the program should face NCAA sanctions as per their bylaws
That is what is going to happen to Penn State. They aren't going to get probation because Sandusky raped someone. They will get hit because the NCAA interprets something, somewhere along the line violated its Bylaws.
You are much better off arguing whether their interpretation of the violation, once we find out what they are citing as the violation, is accurate or not according to the bylaws. The whole "innocent individuals being punished" thing has no place in this argument.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:11 pm to Elleshoe
i'm not passionate about the Penn State school itself. I'm more passionate about mob mentality because it really is killing the country. We find something..blood lust...effect people while it doesn't effect us..then move on.
The Syracuse story was a great example of mob mentality..run guy out of town..then find out that a few of the people were lying..oh well..we already moved on.
Special interest/mobs/etc I can't stand.
The Syracuse story was a great example of mob mentality..run guy out of town..then find out that a few of the people were lying..oh well..we already moved on.
Special interest/mobs/etc I can't stand.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:11 pm to Srbtiger06
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If a university cop is giving out tickets and collecting funds for himself then that is his fault.
And his/her superior is responsible for their underlings actions. The boss or captain has the responsibility of censoring, controlling and auditing his underlings performance and action. That is leadership, you may not like it but that is the way the world works.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:12 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Find out who the individuals were who are accused of these infractions, prove their guilt or innocence and punish the individuals.
I believe they are trying to do that.
Let's say the people invved were covering up illegal recruiting or illegal benefits to players... Would it be acceptable to punish the football team under those circumstances?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:12 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Who have I insulted?
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fightingtiger2335 on 7/22/12 at 12:15 pm
Ah ha someone got touched as a kid...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:13 pm to genro
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fightingtiger2335 on 7/22/12 at 12:15 pm
Ah ha someone got touched as a kid...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:13 pm to Srbtiger06
Answering my question with a question....awesome.
I meant the people involved in the rape stuff were at PSU. People at PSU hired rapist and people that covered for rapists to run the football program. So in my eyes the football program should be in trouble.
I meant the people involved in the rape stuff were at PSU. People at PSU hired rapist and people that covered for rapists to run the football program. So in my eyes the football program should be in trouble.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:13 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Who have I insulted?
Just a few:
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moron majority that wants blood
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You're a queer anyway
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Ah ha someone got touched as a kid...
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fricking Zombies man....
I'm sure you'll say you were just joking around and not to take you seriously, so I won't take anything you say seriously.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 3:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But the coverup is an ethics violation per NCAA bylaws. So you're saying the NCAA should defer to the FBI even though bylaws would be broken to constitute NCAA punishment?
It's an ethics violation by individuals. They should be sanctioned by the NCAA. There is no reason to punish everyone.
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You're cutting your nose off in spite of your face by saying the NCAA should enforce one and not the other.
The problem with it is really simple. If a coach pays a player, you're violating a clear cut rule. Coaches/programs/boosters CANNOT pay players. Crystal clear. I still don't agree with it because the program is punished rather than the offenders but that's another discussion.
Here you have a "morality clause". What is morality? Do you punish someone for knowing? For knowing and telling superiors who do nothing? For simply being an employee?
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