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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:45 pm to fightingtiger2335
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:45 pm to fightingtiger2335
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amazing some people can't grasp it..they just see red and want that blood. fricking Zombies man.
It's equally amazing some can't see the difference between a criminal matter and an NCAA matter.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:45 pm to genro
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Maybe not everyone, but certainly a lot of people knew. It's all in the Freeh report. You don't seem to grasp just how big this is. You don't seem to grasp just how extensive the culture of concealment was at Penn State. It's absolutely mind-boggling that so many people could have known and done nothing. But they did. It's all in the report.
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You'll see how sick of a place Penn State football had become. It wasn't just a few bad eggs. The place was fundamentally fricked up. It needs to go.
Then prove it within the legal system. If all of these people are involved then I'm sure it won't be tough to prove something.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:45 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Punishing people for crimes they did not commit doesn't seem too ethical.
And as I said, what about morals and ethics (which are in NCAA bylaws)?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:46 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:You are mocking the Freeh Report, which was conducted by the former director of the FBI. You are officially a member of the cult.
I understand the Freeh Report is your baby
quote:Hit them? You allow them to transfer penalty-free to a place free of child-rape. They have to move, that's inconvenient. But how are they being punished? They're getting away from a sick cult. And if they don't like it now, believe me, in a few years they will understand and be glad they did.
You don't hit every student-athlete at the school
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:46 pm to MStreetTiger
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Are you confusing the Freeh Report with the FBI? Louis Freeh hasnt been Director of the FBI since 2001.
Yes he is but ITS THE FREEH REPORT!!!1!!
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:46 pm to 10888bge
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If those who you claim would be ruined truly cared for the name on the Marquee they would be the first ones up to demand punishment for the crimes. They would be the ones ensuring a more responsible leadership in the future.
Yes, but you see, they are going to get more responsible leadership with or without NCAA sanctions. The people wanting justice have already won. Sandusky is going to jail for the rest of his life and others will soon follow him to the stockade. The fire has already been reduced to cinders and you are wanting to put nitroglycerin on it by seeking more blood in a case that has already been solved and taken care of.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:48 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Punishing people for crimes they did not commit doesn't seem too ethical.
bylaws involving program ethics =\= crimes
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:48 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Except that's exactly what's happening.
Thats what is happening if Penn State is being charged with an NCAA violation and didn't commit one.
Like I said, I haven't read the Freeh report so I don't know if they violated NCAA rules or not...but I'm certain Emmert will explain it specifically.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:49 pm to MOT
Ok we're arguing in circles here. Let's start from the top and try to figure this thing out and see where everyone disagrees.
Ok 2 questions.
What is a university and who is responsible for what goes on at one?
Ok 2 questions.
What is a university and who is responsible for what goes on at one?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:49 pm to genro
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You are mocking the Freeh Report, which was conducted by the former director of the FBI.
No, I'm mocking you acting like it proves anything. It doesn't. If he wrote that Christian Bale is really an alien it wouldn't mean shite. That's why we have this thing called a 'justice system'. It is pretty damning but as of now, it doesn't indict ANYONE.
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You are officially a member of the cult.
Not really. I believe the report is likely accurate, but I also believe that isn't equivalent to a trial for the accused.
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You allow them to transfer penalty-free to a place free of child-rape
Oh it'll be penalty free?! That changes everything!
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:49 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Right. When L Ron Hubbard died, Scientology ceased to be a dangerous cult.
Yes, but you see, they are going to get more responsible leadership with or without NCAA sanctions. The people wanting justice have already won. Sandusky is going to jail for the rest of his life and others will soon follow him to the stockade. The fire has already been reduced to cinders and you are wanting to put nitroglycerin on it by seeking more blood in a case that has already been solved and taken care of.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:49 pm to genro
If the Freeh Report is as conclusive as you seem to believe then why hasn't everyone named in the report been charged?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
What could have been done here that involved program ethics that would not be considered a crime?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to RollTide1987
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I would want the INDIVIDUALS punished, not the university, because I'm not cold hearted enough to ruin the lives of tens of thousands of people who rely on the University of Alabama and its athletic department for their livelihood.
There is absolutely no reason to hammer Penn State for this crap because those most responsible for this mess are already going to pay.
Tornado came through, destroyed countless lives and our town. Haven't we been well on our way to complete recovery. Life goes on.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Punishing people for crimes they did not commit doesn't seem too ethical.
That's why you are completely lost here. The NCAA isn't punishing anyone for crimes. They do not have the authority to do so, surely you know this. They will only hand out punishment within their authority for violating their rules. Nothing more.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to PowerTool
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PowerTool
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"It's unbelievable to think that kind of corruption came right from the top of the power structure. The NCAA did what it had to do"
- Paterno on the SMU death penalty.
Boom
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to fightingtiger2335
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amazing some people can't grasp it..they just see red and want that blood. fricking Zombies man.
Oh bullshite. A lot of us were opposed to NCAA action until recently. You guys are making arguments based on 2011 news.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:50 pm to Srbtiger06
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You don't hit every student-athlete at the school because a couple of janitors didn't say anything.
This is a very stupid way of thinking. This is like saying since Pete Carrol and Reggie Bush was gone from USC they shouldn't have been punished. Should it be ok for a program to just fire the coach and tell the NCAA "It's ok we fired him".
For what Penn St did they sould be thankful they even have an athletic department. We are not talking about fixing games or paying players. We are talking about raping boys on campus and offical universty activities and not saying anything about it when they knew it was going on.
What ever they get won't be enough imo.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:52 pm to genro
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Right. When L Ron Hubbard died, Scientology ceased to be a dangerous cult.
And for how many years has the media and millions of Americans been screaming for the death of said cult? Penn State will change for the better simply because of what happened and because the eye of the public is on them. It's also a government-funded school and that makes a difference, too. How many dollars a year does the state of Pennsylvania give to Scientology again?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What is a university
An educational institution.
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who is responsible for what goes on at one?
Individuals.
If a university cop is giving out tickets and collecting funds for himself then that is his fault. Poor judgement by his superiors for not supervising more closely but they didn't do it...he did. It certainly isn't the fault of the students who park in said lot.
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