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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:26 pm to genro
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:26 pm to genro
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Perhaps because instead of bringing up dozens or hundreds of people on failure to report charges and have another dragged-out media circus, the FBI decided a better course of action is to hand the information over to the NCAA and have them basically dissolve the program entirely.
The "FBI" is just giving these people free passes so that the NCAA, who has no jurisdiction legally, can punish their employer monetarily? Where did you hear this?
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:27 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Life isn't fair and never will be, but when crimes of this magnitude take place actions need to be taken against all responsible parties.
They are.
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PSU and the Paterno family will have to shell out millions of dollars
Again, responsible parties.
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but the buck shouldn't just stop there.
Why? From that point on you're hitting ONLY those NOT involved.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Yes there is. You punish the people who were involved in the crime.
I hate it for the student-athletes involved but there's no way to address the issue without someone getting hurt.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And the only way to rid of that mentality is for the NCAA to send a clear message.
Yeah...let's send a clear message and ruin lives in the process. A number of people who are financially ruined by this may end up committing suicide, but who cares so long as "justice is served" to the Penn State students who hold Paterno up as a false idol?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:28 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And those who didn't actively cover it up, but simply knew and did nothing? Don't they deserve punishment? There are many of these people - so many in fact, you could say it was the entire culture of the football program (that's what Freeh said) and prosecution for them is basically impossible. So what do you propose we do?
And those who covered up his crimes will soon follow him.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:28 pm to fightingtiger2335
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I like how so many casually say they could take their teams program away and support that decision under same circumstances. They would be kicking and clawing...then people would yell cult at them and group them in as one and want go burn it down
If this happened in Tuscaloosa, I would say burn it to the ground! Fortunately most southern men live by a good, christian, moral standing and would not stand by and let this happen. The culture up north is something I can't wrap my mind around for letting this happen. Im not saying that it doesn't happen here, but I rest assured that people in leadership roles wouldn't let it continue to take place and cover it up.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:29 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Yes there is. You punish the people who were involved in the crime.
So you honestly believe only 5-6 guys facilitated this cover up mentality for almost 50 years?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:29 pm to volfan30
On the Les Miles flight to Michigan from Nick Saban's house after they stopped to set plans for Thanksgiving.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:29 pm to Gmorgan4982
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f the FBI did that, then that's insane. Par for the course for a governmental organization. So instead of individually punishing people who committed crimes, we'll just take down a football program. That will fix things.
And you support this course of action?
The administration of the school and culture of the athletic department as a whole created an environment where the football coach and football program were so powerful that they covered up and enabled a child molester to use athletic department facilities to prey on children. If that doesnt go against what the NCAA stands for and warrant NCAA punishment I dont know what does. Yes they are punishing an institution instead of individuals because the NCAA is made up of institutions not individuals and the institution of Penn State created this environment that allowed these individuals to fail so miserably.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
I don't know. If there are more people who were involved, then investigators can find this out, prove it, and punish them.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:30 pm to genro
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And those who didn't actively covered it up, but simply knew and did nothing? Don't they deserve punishment?
How do you prove who knew and who didn't though? And I'm sure those who did know will be fired and never allowed to set foot on the campus of Penn State again if they are found out. All you end up doing is punishing people who weren't even there.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:31 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Dude you really have to learn about life. I know you are young, but dear lord man open your eyes. They broke a moral code as a university. Would you want the U of A to go unpunished if this had happened in T-town?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:31 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Who currently involved in the football program did this? Can you give me a name?
they covered up and enabled a child molester to use athletic department facilities to prey on children.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So you honestly believe only 5-6 guys facilitated this cover up mentality for almost 50 years?
It's quite possible. I highly doubt everyone at Penn State knew an assistant was raping little boys in the shower.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:32 pm to Gmorgan4982
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If the FBI did that, then that's insane. Par for the course for a governmental organization. So instead of individually punishing people who committed crimes, we'll just take down a football program. That will fix things.
The NCAA doesn't deal with criminal matters. The legal system will do its thing, the NCAA will deal with its member institutions for violating its rules, bylaws, or principles.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:32 pm to Gmorgan4982
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I don't know. If there are more people who were involved, then investigators can find this out, prove it, and punish them.
For 50 years? So what about the people who helped maintain the cover up mentality but cannot legally be charged because their ethics violation doesnt qualify? That's basically what they're talking about. And if I recall correctly the NCAA does have ethics laws that the FBI does not. So they're within their bounds here.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:34 pm to Gmorgan4982
THE FBI HAS THE NAMES BUT THEY ARE GIVING THEM A FREE PASS SO THE STUDENT ATHLETES WILL GET WHAT'S COMING TO THEM.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:34 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Who currently involved in the football program did this? Can you give me a name?
Dont know dont care and dont give a shite. The profits that came from this are still running the AD and the environment and culture of the AD will go right back to how it was in 3-4 years if they dont receive any repercussions. You could say the same thing about USC or alabama. Pete Carroll is no longer there and Dubose was gone...should they have not recieved punishment?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 2:34 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Dude you really have to learn about life. I know you are young, but dear lord man open your eyes. They broke a moral code as a university. Would you want the U of A to go unpunished if this had happened in T-town?
I would want the INDIVIDUALS punished, not the university, because I'm not cold hearted enough to ruin the lives of tens of thousands of people who rely on the University of Alabama and its athletic department for their livelihood.
There is absolutely no reason to hammer Penn State for this crap because those most responsible for this mess are already going to pay.
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