Pablo Torre is now going after Tim Tebow and his Christian "scam"

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Torre's latest report is in conjunction with Mother Jones.

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Mother Jones trying to rip Christians? No way.

He did awesome work with the Clipper stuff.

This one isn't it.

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Mother Jones trying to rip Christians? No way.

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Never heard of mother jones prior to this report. Just now diving into it.

Not sure if Tebow is part of the high pressure sales, which seems to be the part everyone has an issue with, or just getting paid to make appearances like plenty of celebrities/athletes do.

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Tebow is among the athletes who have spoken at these conferences, along with celebrities like Magic Johnson and Joe Montana

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Magic Johnson is without a doubt the biggest name of the three. Tebow is arguably a distant third.

Why is his name in the headline and the other two are buried 4 paragraphs (at least) down?

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Magic Johnson is without a doubt the biggest name of the three. Tebow is arguably a distant third.

Why is his name in the headline and the other two are buried 4 paragraphs (at least) down?

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Not sure. He's headlining 20 events so maybe the others weren't involved nearly as much? Just a guess. And Tebow is kind of widely know for his religious beliefs so maybe that makes sense from a Torre investigative perspective.

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I think everyone here is probably grown enough to read the articles and come to their own conclusion and not be twisted by a thread title.

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You think the target audience for the article is the limited list of people posting in this thread?

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How’s it a scam to upsell someone? I get it may not be the greatest way to handle things, but no one is forcing any of these people to pay for the extra classes or seminars.

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I am not arguing whether it is or not just posting what I saw. Here is some more details from another article...

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The investigation alleges that attendees who enter through low-cost Life Surge events can be moved through a sales funnel beginning with a $97 three-day impact class and eventually pitched training packages costing tens of thousands of dollars.


The lowest tier ranges from roughly $10,000 to $13,000, according to the investigation. A middle tier sits around $20,000 to $25,000. The highest tier reaches $40,000 to $50,000 for one-on-one mentorship.

Former attendees told Torre’s team that sales representatives at the events would help participants open new credit cards or take out home equity loans to cover the cost of the classes. One person described being approved for a $25,000 American Express card at the event itself.

“I know that many of you today have probably signed up for classes, have probably signed up to take the next step,” Tebow said, according to Mother Jones. “And I want to encourage you to finish that, to follow through, to follow through on that commitment, to finish strong.”

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That's pretty slimy.

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It's the title of the yahoo article. I think everyone here is probably grown enough to read the articles and come to their own conclusion and not be twisted by a thread title.

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I'm well aware and the people who are behind this did this to attack Tebow's beliefs in an attempt to de-legitimize them.

Disgusting and one of the reason people hate media, doubt their accuracy and are moving away from using these bigger media outlets as their sources.

So basically selling "Christian" programs for flipping real estate and stock advice like timeshares.. seems like someone of Tebow's "character" would choose another avenue to generate income.. there are other athletes/celebrities involved too, I wonder if any have ownership stake

This seems like one of those Gospel of Prosperity type things. Tebow might have been just paid to give a talk. Was he involved in the sales pitch?

Did he know of the predatory nature of the thing? He might just be a useful idiot.