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re: Official Louisiana High School Baseball Mega-Thread 2023
Posted on 5/12/23 at 8:58 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 5/12/23 at 8:58 am to Prominentwon
South Beau has become pretty dominant too
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 8:59 am to stout
Yeah, but that’s white flight from Moss Bluff 
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:02 am to dallastiger55
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I wonder what peoples theories are? I know Cecchini has been known to wear out arms and also have heard maybe they’ve peaked because they are usually older.
Maybe how they play doesn’t translate to the next level
And it’s also really hard to make MLB
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:04 am to Prominentwon
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Yeah, but that’s white flight from Moss Bluff
Its flight because Moss Bluff is running out of land that isn't wetlands and costs $100K per acre.
People in Ragley hate it and are pissed they just passed alcohol sales. The old-school natives blame the new invaders. It was quite hilarious to read Facebook when it passed. People melted down.
I think it's great for the area and keeps making the few pieces of Hwy frontage I own worth even more.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:12 am to stout
That’s what I’ve mentioned to someone recently
Moss Bluff has become Sulphur when I was growing up. Ragley is turning into Moss Bluff when I was growing up.
Moss Bluff has become Sulphur when I was growing up. Ragley is turning into Moss Bluff when I was growing up.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:16 am to SaturdayTraditions
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This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:17 am to SaturdayTraditions
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How is that crow?
kinda bland, but edible LOL
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:17 am to Prominentwon
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I was having this discussion with parents from all three schools last night.
Barbe actually started this, but SLC baseball is a machine. They start training in tball and they don’t stop. And if I’m not mistaken, it’s the same training techniques that Barbe uses, so essentially they’re teaching them to play Barbe baseball starting very early.
Sulphur is starting to do that and St Louis is going to turn into what Barbe is now when they build on the south side of the city.
Sam Houston is…well, I’m still learning about Sam Houston. I don’t have many contacts here quite yet
DeQuincy is starting to do the same thing. All working together from very early. Kinder the same…I think that’s what most of these tourney ball “clubs” are there for. Training programs to make HS squads. Obviously not all will make them, but they do start filtering out by the time they’re 12-13. I think there’s some kind of affiliation with a lot of these teams that are then connected to the HS programs.
777 can clean that up for me a bit more. He knows a lot more than I do
so its less Barbe's system but more just year around training and less playing overall. But some are using pretty close to same system
SH....Chad implements many of same things Glen does at barbe. Chad has his own take on things though and has the program much much further along than glenn did at same stage of his career. Chad is extremely good at motivating the kids and dude has become a really good christian man. The program has had some problem kids. Overall he has the SH program humming
at St Louis....almost exact Barbe system. Matt is amazing at organizing things and Luke David brought alot of the Barbe system over with him. They have created a machine that shows no signs of slowing down.
Sulphur...they always have tons of talent. It is always...can they hire right coach to keep the politics on the sideline. most years that is a no.
DQ- has had more and more talent, using same year around system.
South Beau- exceptional coach. Jeremy is great person and great organizer.
Westlake- has talent, more than most in the area. not using same type system as the others.
Iowa- great coach, same type of year around system
Barbe started it and has shown the kids in the area what it takes to make it to the next level. That has filtered down.
i made this post a while back on it
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Couple people have asked how the hell SWLA can be producing so much talent with 3 teams in the maxpreps top 12 and 8 teams in the semis, here is the reponse i wrote on the recruiting board to that question
couple reasons
1) unlike a lot of the rest of the state, there is a big emphasis on it, but in tournament ball most kids are still almost forced to play football and other sports and do not specialize until high school or 13 at earliest.
2) emphasis on extreme hard work around here when it comes to baseball. kids see the tradition at barbe, sam houston, sulphur, st louis and the smaller powers and they see what it takes. they start hanging around the programs early and they see the dedication so they start doing it.
3) because of the above, kids train year around for it. notice i didnt say play year around as the travel teams in SWLA tend to play less overall games than many other areas but tend to train and practice more. lot more emphasis on training than playing
4) because these kids see what it takes many start strength and conditioning early, very early with many starting at 7 & 8 even. they also work around the house a lot and see how big they actually need to be. Go to dbat and you will see classes of 7u kids getting after it with the weights.
5) they start training Bat speed and Throwing velo and the other skills that scale early, very early. not uncommon to have multiple kids at 9 throwing 55, dozen at 10 throwing 60, 68-72 @ 11u, 75 @ 12u, 80@13. JD alexander is perfect example of this and got a couple kids in 7th(13u) that have already hit 80+. The skills that scale that driveline talks about are pretty much taught and emphasized from day 1. PLus lots of travel coaches in this area see big picture and are not priortizing winning at 10-12u over development. Games are more about learning to compete...practice is for training. These things are tracked over time and you are encouraged to try and set PRs. the Pitching coaches are really good at this and getting better and better with it. embracing the tech and using it early.
Many of the local trainers were pitching or hitting coaches at these schools and decided private sector was more their style, but the same systems and then also know what the coaches are looking for is being taught very very early.
for a metro area of 250k its insance. 6 teams from calc parish in the semi plus kinder and south beau. over 20 d1 prospects and prolly another 25 going to play juco or d2/d3.
also prolly the biggest factors is awesome coaching. Barbe, St Louis, South Beau, Iowa and Sam Houston have amazing coaching, not just HC either. these coaches understand the importance of the off season and run year around weight lifting, they run off season velo/long toss programs, run bat speed programs etc etc. there is a huge focus on development and its tracked. all the schools above have their own pitching coach, own hitting coach and coaches that really really beleive in the weights. look at the size of many of the kids compared to other schools. its very very evident when st louis plays, only stm was as big really. in 5a less so once you are deep in playoffs but district games....very obvious.
so combo of things...high level coaching, elite work ethic and tradition/passion for the game.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:22 am to lsu777
So the theories about the same systems are pretty much way off
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:28 am to Prominentwon
They play great ball in that area but the split also helped propel some of these programs into spots they’ve never been. 5A baseball especially, more than any other sport used to have the most competitive playoff. Now it’s super watered down. The select side is even less competing top to bottom, it’s kind of a joke honestly.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:35 am to Lester Earl
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The select side is even less competing top to bottom, it’s kind of a joke honestly.
You have a team that wouldn’t make the playoffs without the split in the title game in D1 Select. Rummel would be the 34 seed this year in 5A.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:36 am to Prominentwon
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Wind or not, the RF should have most definitely caught the ball Bellard hit for a 3B. That ball was up in the air way too long and he had plenty of time to get there. He just absolutely misplayed it. I still don’t know what he was looking at or doing.
ball was in the air forever. I dunno why Cf was not hustling to help either.
lots of defensive mistakes overall though in the games yesterday
defensive mistakes by catholic is what blew the game open for them vs Rummell too.
Couple in Jesuit game allowed them to have that big inning too.
cost st louis over and over
cost SH in the end
pretty consistent theme of teams not handling pressure from the weather conditions over and over throughout the last 2 nights for sure. Cost some of the more talented teams games and a shot at the ship too.
in the end though in Barbe vs Sulphur....bottomline was unlike first 2 games, especially the 1st game against JB, barbe out hit sulphur. Barbes big players showed up and showed out. If not for Wind...Vaneck's hit to deep right in the first is a homer.
I believe the HR by Courville was only HR of the tournament the last couple days when weather conditions shifted. It was hit at the only place you could hit a HR too between the 2 fields.
but barbe hit gap shot after gap shot last night and really overwhelmed Sulphur unlike 1st two meetings.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:45 am to JJ27
Yea I mean the Catholic league had 4 really good teams that would have been good enough under the old format to make a serious run. But every year now they only really get to compete with Catholic & St Paul to win select.
That has left 5-6 programs to really make a name for themselves in common 5a.
That has left 5-6 programs to really make a name for themselves in common 5a.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:52 am to Lester Earl
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They play great ball in that area but the split also helped propel some of these programs into spots they’ve never been. 5A baseball especially, more than any other sport used to have the most competitive playoff. Now it’s super watered down. The select side is even less competing top to bottom, it’s kind of a joke honestly.
bullshite. all 3 of the public schools in the semis last night would be powers split or no split.
i watched all 8 games of 5a last night, the 4 teams in the NS side were better than the other 4. Catholic was as talented but couldnt hit and made error after error. ran through pitchers too. barbe would have been #2 seed, sulphur #4, SH#5. Jesuit would have been the #10 seed and only catholic would have been in the top 5. Pineville would have been #24 and rummell wouldnt have made the playoffs. If anything the select side in 5a has had programs propelled and its not even close.
Barbe and WM were continuously in the semis before the split. Sulphur made runs when talent was there as they are more dependent on that than others because no true system. SH was just getting started in their run when Ross came from WM in 2014. then chad took to a new level after ross left to start 2d.
St louis would have been the 1 seed in 3a and South Beau, kinder and Iowa would have made deep runs again. would have been the #1, #5, #6, & #10 seeds in 3a. Ross won a ship with St louis and matt F & luke D has them humming like never before and only goign to get better once the new school and facilities are built(supposed to break ground this summer)
Check the combined power ratings
sure 3a and 5a used to be stupid competitive and still are at the top, but dont act like the NOLA private schools would be dominating because that isnt true and never has been.
in the 20 years before the split only 7 times did the private school win. barbe alone has 9. and only once was it private vs private....lot more times no privates in the finals
LINK
so if you are going to say something, make sure its based in reality because now a days...we have the ability to fact check pretty easy.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:00 am to Lester Earl
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Yea I mean the Catholic league had 4 really good teams that would have been good enough under the old format to make a serious run. But every year now they only really get to compete with Catholic & St Paul to win select.
That has left 5-6 programs to really make a name for themselves in common 5a.
the new format is easier for the catholic league to make a run.
BM got beat by Byrd who would have been the #29 seed and BM would have been the #21 seed playing on the road the whole time.
Curtis would have been the #27 seed, they lost to catholic. they would have had to play one of the top team anyways to get to the semis.
For jesuit to make semi, they would have had to beat barbe at barbe. I watched both yesterday....not happening.
i love the catholic league and they have bad arse baseball, but IMO after watching yesterday, none of those teams would have made the Semis. Rummel is hot as hell so maybe them as they beat a much much better oppenent than Jesuit did.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:01 am to lsu777
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but dont act like the NOLA private schools would be dominating because that isnt true and never has been.
Link to where I said they would be dominating
And barbe is the best baseball program in the states history. I said nothing disparaging about them or any other specific team, for that matter. frickin dope.
Sulphur and west Monroe disappeared off and on from the states landscape after the late 90’s for years before recently. Sam Houston has never won shite at the highest level and it’s never been easier,
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:02 am to lsu777
Sam Houston stole bases whenever they wanted. A few times WM did not even try to throw to get them. Barbe will do the same.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:05 am to Prominentwon
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So the theories about the same systems are pretty much way of
if by system...you mean year around training and forcing competition where best players play no matter what...yea. weight lifting year around, long toss programs and bat speed programs in the off season etc...all the better programs in the area are doign that. Using tech...all are.
but if you mean exact same systems...not really. St Louis does a ton of stuff barbe does but none of them are exact copies.
but they all do what barbe does in making practice way harder than the game from a skill point of view. as in hitting way harder than what will be hit at them in the game, using the hack attack to ensure you can see velo and crazy movement outside of live at bats and just work, work, work...yea all doing that.
you will have barbe guys hitting at 9pm in the cages, even on the field almost every night.
st louis...kids in there at 9pm almost everytime im there getting work in outside practice. sure its the same at SH too.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:14 am to lsu777
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lsu777
A question was raided earlier and it quickly went away, and I found it interesting.
What player from Barbe had the best college career?
What player from Barbe had the best professional career?
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:20 am to Riolobo
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Sam Houston stole bases whenever they wanted. A few times WM did not even try to throw to get them. Barbe will do the same.
Depends on the starting pitcher. They have 2 catchers that catch and DH. Depends on the pitcher.
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