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re: NYY request to keep "Yankee Letter" private denied...UPDATE: Letter released
Posted on 4/26/22 at 3:54 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 4/26/22 at 3:54 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Keuchel was just that good. They couldn't get anyone to 2b.
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:00 pm to WestCoastAg
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anyway, this is largely stuff that had already been addressed years ago when baseball came out and told everyone to stop
Good thing is, Rosario kept on hitting, they told him to stop but he said frick the Dodgers
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:03 pm to 5 Deep
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“Investigation says NY used replay room to decode signs…but that’s about it.”
So, they did the same thing, only they did it before it was mainstream, so it's cool then
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:04 pm to tduecen
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tduecen
faggut
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:07 pm to Hurricane Mike
God don't be such a pussy and give Astros fans a bad rap
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:30 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Correct. The Yankees, like the Astros, crossed a line in sign stealing. Both teams cheated.
But only 1 did this
Went to the World Series
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:34 pm to rt3
It won't matter. The Yankees are the darlings of the MSM and the Glitterati. It will be whitewashed and fingers pointed elsewhere.
" Everyone else was cheating, we had to do it to stay competitive "
" Everyone else was cheating, we had to do it to stay competitive "
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:37 pm to OchoDedos
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THREAD: Let’s start with some facts.
The New York Yankees cheated.
The Boston Red Sox cheated.
The Houston Astros cheated.
All of them used technology in real time to steal signs. (1/9)
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Now if you want to be the person who says cheating is cheating, it’s all bad, they’re all the same — you do you.
If you’re rational and understand that cheating in sport exists on a continuum, then you understand the differences among the three teams that have been proven. (2/9)
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The Yankees in 2015-16 used their replay room to decode catchers’ signs and, on the road, used a replay-room phone to relay them to a dugout phone. These decoded signs were given to runners on second base, who could peek at the catcher and relay the coming pitch to hitters. (3/9)
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The Red Sox did essentially the same thing as the Yankees' replay room — except in 2018, after commissioner Rob Manfred had threatened penalty for use of technology to steal signs as well as after Boston in 2017 was fined for illicitly using an Apple Watch to relay signs. (4/9)
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The Astros used technology to steal signs. They then relayed the coming pitch to batters — even with the bases empty — in real time by banging on a trash can. Manfred’s report said this was done during the World Series run in 2017, including in the postseason. (5/9)
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These are different things. Very, very different things. Players have been trying to steal and relay signs from second base forever. That doesn’t excuse the Yankees and Red Sox, but context matters. Relaying pitches with such specificity as the Astros did was entirely new. (6/9)
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Now, if MLB comes down harder on the Yankees or Red Sox in 2017, does that change things? Perhaps. Maybe the Astros are scared straight. But let’s remember: Manfred warned the Red Sox in 2017 after using the Apple Watch. And they won the World Series in 2018 while cheating. (7/9)
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The Yankees Letter gives one piece of previously unreported information: MLB fined the team $100,000. Everything else has been reported. This doesn’t lessen the deed. But nothing in the letter damns the Yankees beyond what we’ve long known about them — and cheating in MLB. (8/9)
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Using technology to steal signs was rampant in baseball. The Yankees, Red Sox and Astros — and others whose indiscretions have not been proven publicly — did it. It’s simply facile to treat them as the same. It’s factual to say that there are different levels of cheating. (9/9)
Jeff Passan broke it down for those curious
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:46 pm to tduecen
Passon is fake news
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:47 pm to Dire Wolf
K
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:49 pm to Dire Wolf
i only get my news from ray who lives in baytown. hes just a good ole boy who never meant no harm to no one
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:53 pm to tduecen
And if you believe any number of players (and why would they lie) it was much more widespread than just three teams.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:59 pm to tduecen
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Jeff Passan
That frickstick can go frick himself.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:59 pm to tduecen
No Passan broke down what he thinks everyone should think of the letter and how they should view it in comparison to the Astros crimes.
I don’t need Jeff Passan to steer how I view this. Am I biased? Of course what sports fan isn’t. I can acknowledge what the Astros did was bad and a step further than what it is reported other teams have done. I also think it’s pretty important to confirm the Yankees used technology to relay signs in real time two years prior to the Astros scandal. I don’t need him telling me why one is more egregious than the other.
Another important point is there hasn’t been a full fledged investigation into this with first hand accounts from within the organization. There is a reason we know so much more about the Astros and it’s because they were granted immunity to talk.
I don’t need Jeff Passan to steer how I view this. Am I biased? Of course what sports fan isn’t. I can acknowledge what the Astros did was bad and a step further than what it is reported other teams have done. I also think it’s pretty important to confirm the Yankees used technology to relay signs in real time two years prior to the Astros scandal. I don’t need him telling me why one is more egregious than the other.
Another important point is there hasn’t been a full fledged investigation into this with first hand accounts from within the organization. There is a reason we know so much more about the Astros and it’s because they were granted immunity to talk.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:54 pm to tduecen
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As we stated, nothing we didn't already know
Well that's certainly new news, something that hasn't come up in MLB news circles in the last 3 years
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God don't be such a pussy and give Astros fans a bad rap
LOL, drag Astros threw mud for 3 years for something your team created then shite all over Astros fans
frick the Yankees and frick you
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:55 pm to Hurricane Mike
You give most Astros fans on this board a bad name, God you are a fragile pussy
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:07 pm to tduecen
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tduecen
Hypocritical bitch
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:08 pm to Fububutsy
Link?
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:33 pm to tduecen
Do you ever even stop to ask yourself why a “sealed” letter is “leaked” to a guy like Passan before it is released?
And then you go through the trouble of quoting all that and posting it?
LMAO
And then you go through the trouble of quoting all that and posting it?
LMAO
Posted on 4/27/22 at 9:59 am to rt3
SNY releases the letter
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The Yankee Letter, addressed to senior vice president and general manager Brian Cashman, is dated Sept. 14, 2017. It begins:
Dear Brian:
On August 23, 2017, the New York Yankees filed a formal complaint and requested that the Office of the Commissioner "conduct a full and complete investigation concerning the illegal use of electronic equipment, in game, by the Boston Red Sox in order to steal signs and gain an illegal advantage in the game." As a result of the Yankees complaint, I directed the Department of Investigations to interview a number of employees of the Red Sox and the Yankees in connection with this matter. Based on the information we received, I have concluded that the Red Sox violated On-Field Regulation 1-2.A by using electronic equipment for the purpose of stealing signs or conveying information designed to give a Club an advantage." I will address this violation of the On-Field Regulations directly with the Red Sox.
During our investigation into the Red Sox's misconduct, [Redacted] informed the Department of Investigations that the Yankees used a similar scheme to that of the Red Sox to decode opposing Clubs' signs and relay them to the batter when a runner was on second base. [Redacted] -- who initially noticed that the Red Sox were using a smartwatch to pass information to their players -- admitted to the Department of Investigations that during the 2015 season and the first half of the 2016 season, [Redacted], provided information about opposing Club's signs to players and members of the coaching staff in the replay room at Yankee Stadium, who then physically relayed the information to the Yankees' dugout. [Redacted] also admitted that during that same time period, in certain stadiums on the road where the video room was not proximate to the dugout, used the phone line in the replay room to orally provide real-time information about opposing Club's signs to Yankee coaches on the bench.
[....]
The Yankees' use of the dugout phone to relay information about an opposing Club's signs during the 2015 season, and part of the 2016 season, constitutes a material violation of the Replay Review Regulations. By using the phone in the video review room to instantaneously transmit information regarding signs to the dugout in violation of the Regulations, the Yankees were able to provide real-time information to their players regarding an opposing Club's sign sequence - the same objective of the Red Sox's scheme that was the subject of the Yankees' complaint.
Based on the foregoing, the Yankees are hereby fined $100,000. Please send a check in that amount, made payable to Major League Baseball Charities, to my attention. The money will be used for Hurricane Irma relief.
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