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re: Now that players are getting paid for NIL should they have to pay for tuition ?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 2:59 pm to nolatrain504
Posted on 7/1/21 at 2:59 pm to nolatrain504
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but you do realize that your normal student you are comparing them to will never get endorsement deals or 6 figure+.
Bro, we're in the Instagram influencer age. Anybody can make thousands with their image nowadays if they put enough effort into it.
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Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:03 pm to MontyFranklyn
That is not my point. I don’t really care one way or another, my point was that you can’t really say regular students have the same opportunity because they don’t. I’m glad athletes are getting paid. Do I think there will be negative consequences, of course.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:05 pm to HogX
I guess you don’t realize just how hard and rare it is to actually make money being a social media influencer. Don’t let the hype fool you, your average Joe will not make tons of money AND it’s very rare for any influencer to stay relevant and make serious money for 4 years. Majority of them fade out. 4 year college stars have basically garaunteed publicity, and you don’t even have to produce content. You do exactly what you would do before being paid.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:05 pm to nolatrain504
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my point was that you can’t really say regular students have the same opportunity because they don’t.
They actually have more opportunity to earn money while in school relative to the athletes. Even with NIL, with the exception of a fraction of a percent of athletes.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:08 pm to LNCHBOX
We are talking earning potential here. And the fact is that a regular student does not have as much earning potential NOW than a decent and popular LSU student.
With that being said, you also can’t compare a southeastern football player to LSU football player. I love that LSU players will be paid. I don’t know how small schools and small markets will be able to compete.
With that being said, you also can’t compare a southeastern football player to LSU football player. I love that LSU players will be paid. I don’t know how small schools and small markets will be able to compete.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:12 pm to nolatrain504
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And the fact is that a regular student does not have as much earning potential NOW than a decent and popular LSU student.
You're again only looking a small fraction of all LSU athletes to try to make your point.
I made roughly $20k each of my last two years in school working co-op jobs, and I can assure there is nothing special about me. I'd be willing to be that $20k is going to be more than the vast majority of athletes at LSU will make off NIL.
ETA Athletes aren't going to be able to work like the average student can because of all their obligations, another factor I feel yall are ignoring.
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:12 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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99% of scholarship athletes receive more value than they provide and for the majority of them, the number isn’t even close.
TheerealCarolina,
Even if that is true, I can’t advocate a position that punishes student-athletes simply because college athletic departments have a bad business model.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:14 pm to nolatrain504
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. I don’t know how small schools and small markets will be able to compete.
Nolatrain504,
I don’t know either but to me that’s a issue for the free market to decide.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:22 pm to mwade91383
quote:Why does the school make athletes go to class at all if they are just there to play ball?
Why would the school arbitrarily punish some of their best and brightest by making them pay for a history class?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:28 pm to Scruffy
because the "student athlete" illusion still needs to remain
I can see a future where it will go away as well
I can see a future where it will go away as well
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:29 pm to nolatrain504
'Exactly what you would do before being paid' means pouring hours of their life into honing their craft and sacrificing their bodies beyond what any normal student would do while making their school millions of dollars. Banning someone who excels in a huge industry from making money off their likeness under the guise of amateurism seems downright Un-American to me, personally.
If the NCAA wanted amateurism, that went out the window when the big money started flowing in. Now it's time for them to pay the piper.
If the NCAA wanted amateurism, that went out the window when the big money started flowing in. Now it's time for them to pay the piper.
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:29 pm to Salmon
quote:It should just be dropped now.
because the "student athlete" illusion still needs to remain
No reason to hold out on it at this point.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:32 pm to Scruffy
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It should just be dropped now.
People who are arguing for dropping scholarships or taxing them, fail to see how that would destroy any future “amateurism” arguments.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:34 pm to CovingtonTigre
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People who are arguing for dropping scholarships or taxing them, fail to see how that would destroy any future “amateurism” arguments.
There really is no argument.
1. a school doesn't have to have athletic scholarships, and some don't... and some sports don't... and some divisions don't.... and some conferences don't
2. if a big time program wants to compete... it would seem foolish to withdraw scholarship funding, if the idea is to compete
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:35 pm to Scruffy
quote:
It should just be dropped now.
No reason to hold out on it at this point.
as evidence my multiple threads/posts, people really love to hold onto their illusions
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:41 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:Then why don't colleges give out 99% less scholarships?
99% of scholarship athletes receive more value than they provide and for the majority of them, the number isn’t even close.
It surely isn't to do so out of the goodness of their heart.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:42 pm to CovingtonTigre
quote:We are already beyond that point.
People who are arguing for dropping scholarships or taxing them, fail to see how that would destroy any future “amateurism” arguments.
Why continue to beat around the bush?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:43 pm to supersaints9
no one wants the name of a jv or ugly girls.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:47 pm to Scruffy
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We are already beyond that point.
Why continue to beat around the bush?
Scruffy,
I agree 100% with you. I was trying to point out that those arguing for taxing scholarships and such are the same ones who want the amateur model to continue without realizing what their proposals will do.
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:49 pm to BruceUnhinged
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Tuition has no bearing on what an individual’s brand and a free market dictates.
Universities still have a right to offer these kids a benefit for coming their program.
These are independent of each other and shouldn’t be seen as the same things.
Its such a simple concept. Sure, a university can pull schollies and start requesting (or demanding) that these athletes who are making all this extra money on the side, start paying tuition. But thats the second those star players bounce to a different program that doesn't have that view point. So in the long run, at a school that relies so heavily on athletics to bring in revenue....what do you think is the smarter play?
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