re: Not a single player in the National League is hitting .300

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All the cyber nerds will come in here and tell you that BA is no longer relevant. Which is BS but they’re not smart enough to understand so we’ve just got to ignore them.

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I don't think analytics are infallible or anything but there's a reason pro clubs worth billions of dollars use them.

A guy batting .250/.350/.550 is a much better hitter than Luis Arraez batting .300 off of singles exclusively, no BS about it

Laughter is often a reaction from guilt.

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The problem is people who don’t know anything about sports are always looking for a singular stat to explain everything. They always think the new thing is the end all when really it’s just an updated regurgitation of something old.

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Nothing more clearly explains you have no idea what we are talking about

OBP includes batting avg, so it is not just a singular stat it’s actually more inclusive.

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Ty Cobb was a civil rights hero

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Close.enough as was his Father and Grandfather.
You could even say all of em were way ahead of the times

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His grandfather refused to fight in the Confederate army because of the slavery issue. And his father was an educator and state senator who spoke up for his black constituents and is known to have once broken up a lynch mob.

Cobb himself was never asked about segregation until 1952, when the Texas League was integrating, and Sporting News asked him what he thought. “The Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly, and not grudgingly,” he said. “The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and whose [sic] to say he has not?” By that time he had attended many Negro league games, sometimes throwing out the first ball and often sitting in the dugout with the players. He is quoted as saying that Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he’d pay to see and that Roy Campanella was the ballplayer that reminded him most of himself.

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No. BA is literally useless when the other two are available. Why do you need it for context.

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I just told you. If I have OBP, I only know how often he gets on base, but if I also have BA I now know how often he walks, so I now know more about the batter. So that's why they give BA first, it is very simple and embedded in the calculation of other stats. It is a single variable in a multi variable formula.

Similarly, with SLG%, it's on a per at-bat basis. Using it in conjunction with BA tells me how many extra basis per hit, which gives a clearer idea of how often they hit for extra bases than SLG alone, which weights walks an singles the same.

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That is the whole point of this thread. And then you are going to say I don't know what I am looking at?

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Yes, I think I just proved my point that you don't, and clearly don't know anything about (or completely ignore) other advanced stats that use BA in the equation.

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to generate offense

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vague and not interesting, pass

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I now know how often he walks

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Walk rate, which is it’s own stat

They’ve tried to twist the argument from “batting average is meaningless” to “batting average is everything”. It just shows they couldn’t prove the first argument.

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have OBP, I only know how often he gets on base, but if I also have BA I now know how often he walks

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Again, useless when you have the on-base. And slugging gives you the context of the hit. Anyone that understands these stats does not need the batting average to tell them anything lol.

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vague and not interesting, pass

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From the Madking school of debunking.

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They’ve tried to twist the argument from “batting average is meaningless” to “batting average is everything”. It just shows they couldn’t prove the first argument.

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It's been pretty bad, I appreciate your support

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Second basemen used to be Juan Pierre and Orlando Hudson . Now they’re fricking huge and can rake. The look of the players is different to accommodate the style of play

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You got downvoted on this but I actually just completed running the heights and weights of every starting second baseman in MLB. The average second baseman is 5/11 and 1/2 and weighs 189 pounds. There are second baseman who are as tall as 6-2 and weigh as much as 225 pounds.

Just to pull a couple of names out of the past that people will recognize, Glenn Hubbard was 5-9, 150 and Mark Lemke was 5-10, 167.

Middle infielders used to be shrimps but now they are relative behemoths.

And something people haven’t mentioned, weight training was frowned upon in the old days because it would make you musclebound and as John Kruk once said, “We’re ball players not athletes.” But every clubhouse now has full strength training equipment and players are encouraged to get ripped.