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Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:44 pm to tylercsbn9
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Well I guess that is one gay stance I am against. Although I think the whole notion of a hate crime is a fricking joke in the first place.
True that.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:04 pm to M Le Rip
shooooooulda kept this club in the bag
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:26 pm to tylercsbn9
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Just curious...what special treatment are gays asking for that straights don't get when they marry?
well they want to get married, and the only way this will happen nationally is if they become a protected class, like blacks, women, etc. then they'll get equal protection treatment and states can't discriminate against them
this also opens the door for other shite
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:27 pm to M Le Rip
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"I have simply said that based on the Bible, homosexuality, the lifestyle of homosexuality, is a sin," he said.
take it to the O-fricking-T. (until there is a religion board.)
Just another delusional fundamentalist.
1. there is no God. not in heaven. not anywhere. its a fricking myth, like the greek myths. no god on the mountain. no fricking 10 commandments. NOT ONE WORD OF IT.
2. the bible is a collection of myths and stories intended to reinforce the authority of rabbi's.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:29 pm to S
Yep. We all have a club like that, too. 
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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is it really homophobic? he's saying his religion doesn't like gays, which is true.
religion was used to justify discrimination against blacks and other minorities
religion is used to justify worse things than just saying things others find offensive.
I don't see why you get a pass if you claim your bigotry comes from your religion.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:38 pm to molsusports
quote:What did he say that was bigoted? He merely said homosexuality shouldn't get the constitutional protection that classes based on race and gender get. He also said his religion states that homosexuality is a sin.
I don't see why you get a pass if you claim your bigotry comes from your religion.
That is pretty main stream. Anyone can disagree with it, but it doesn't sound bigoted or homophobic to me.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:43 pm to WDE24
well for starters I think he is factually incorrect if he claims gays are not discriminated against.
you can claim your religion says it is a sin - but clearly IMO there are people who do not like gay people and will commit acts of violence against them (or otherwise discriminate)
and the picking and choosing of what is a sin and what is not is something that belongs on a religion board. but IMO any discussion would show we use our own or our cultural judgement to select which sins mentioned by the bible are ones that we worry about today (and others we ignore)
you can claim your religion says it is a sin - but clearly IMO there are people who do not like gay people and will commit acts of violence against them (or otherwise discriminate)
and the picking and choosing of what is a sin and what is not is something that belongs on a religion board. but IMO any discussion would show we use our own or our cultural judgement to select which sins mentioned by the bible are ones that we worry about today (and others we ignore)
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:45 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Completely agree with him, I don't care what sex you perfer but I don't need to know, and society doesn't owe you any special consideration for it. It's BS.
So being treated equally is now "special consideration"? Not being considered a second class citizen is "special consideration"?
Really?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:45 pm to molsusports
quote:I may have missed it, but I don't think that is what he said. He is just arguing that constitutional protections should not be expanded to include homosexuals. It is a valid stance whether you agree or disagree with it. I'm not sure where I fall on expanding the classes protected by the constitution to include homosexuals.
well for starters I think he is factually incorrect if he claims gays are not discriminated against.
quote:And if he did that, it would be wrong. He hasn't done that as far as I can tell.
but clearly IMO there are people who do not like gay people and will commit acts of violence against them (or otherwise discriminate)
quote:Not sure where you are going or how that applies to this particular case.
but IMO any discussion would show we use our own or our cultural judgement to select which sins mentioned by the bible are ones that we worry about today (and others we ignore)
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:46 pm to HT713
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I don't agree w/ what he's saying, but it is his right to say it. Although he sounds like a complete dumbass.
this
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:49 pm to WDE24
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well for starters I think he is factually incorrect if he claims gays are not discriminated against.
I may have missed it, but I don't think that is what he said.
he is saying it in this quote IMO:
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He said gays and lesbians do not deserve the same protections as groups that historically have been discriminated against, such as blacks and women.
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Not sure where you are going or how that applies to this particular case.
this part belongs on a religion board - but if you have several passages in your holy book and talk about some but ignore others (say homosexuality vs adultery or working on the sabbath) you are not really basing your beliefs on the holy book. you are using the holy book to justify things you want to justify for your own reasons
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:49 pm to tylercsbn9
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Although I think the whole notion of a hate crime is a fricking joke in the first place.
So you believe that a swastika spray painted on a synagogue and "Johnny loves Becky" spray painted on a random fence deserve the same punishment.
I think that hate crime legislation is, sadly, still needed. However, I think that the APPLICATION of said legislation is tragically flawed.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:50 pm to molsusports
The thing that really sticks is that he is saying they shouldn't have that protection in law because of what it says in the Bible. How is that not 2 totally separate things? Do Christians really want legislation to reflect scripture?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:50 pm to WDE24
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He merely said homosexuality shouldn't get the constitutional protection that classes based on race and gender?
So gay ppl shouldn't get constitutional protection? Why? Because the bible will not accept them? What ever happened to separation of church and state? Shouldn't that come before what some idiot coach thinks? In that case, it doesn't matter what the bible says and we should treat gay ppl as any other race/gender, no?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:51 pm to M Le Rip
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The scriptures teach that blacks were created by God, that women were created by God, but that homosexuals ... that is not what God had in mind at all," Brown said.
So he is saying that God can make mistakes and is not perfect ?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:51 pm to molsusports
quote:Not even close.
he is saying it in this quote IMO:
quote:I haven't seen any evidence that he is ignoring other sins. Again, that goes to disagreeing with what he says. That doesn't make him a bigot or homophobe. (FWIW-He may be, but the article doesn't show it).
but if you have several passages in your holy book and talk about some but ignore others (say homosexuality vs adultery or working on the sabbath) you are not really basing your beliefs on the holy book. you are using the holy book to justify things you want to justify for your own reasons
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:52 pm to molsusports
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religion was used to justify discrimination against blacks and other minorities
He's using religion to justify his position against gay marriage in the exact same manner that people used religion to justify their position against interracial marriage.
What bothers me the most is when members of minority groups participate in acts of bigotry (racism, sexism, homophobia, etc) because of all people, they should understand how wrong it is.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 2:52 pm to UnluckyTiger
I'm curious to know when disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle became on the same level as being a racist. Whoever is leading the "gay rights" revolution has done an amazing job over the last 15 years.
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