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re: Nebraska assistant football coach really really really does not like gay people
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:11 pm to HideChaKidz
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:11 pm to HideChaKidz
Some people are born gay and it is simply a birth defect. If it was not, a man could get a man pregnant and woman could get a woman pregnant!
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:12 pm to Sophandros
quote:No it doesn't. FWIW this isn't my belief, but just so you understand why your statement wasn't accurate:
Yes, it necessarily implies that.
One could hold the view that all humans are born heterosexual by nature and that due to environment, nurture and/or choice some choose to be homosexual. Thus, your assumption that if homosexuality is a choice then heterosexuality is also a choice is not necessarily true logically speaking.
Again, this isn't my view, just pointing out the logical flaw.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:12 pm to Sophandros
quote:What was mean spirited, hateful or bigoted?
But he did.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:13 pm to OU812
quote:
Some people are born gay and it is simply a birth defect
WOW.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:13 pm to Sophandros
My point is - these people are not born that way. I believe they are legitimately attracted to members of the same sex the same way I'm attracted to members of the opposite sex.
But it's not a clearly definable genetic characteristic. It's simply aesthetics and environmental factors. That's no way to determine a class of people. Saying gays are a class unto themselves equivalent to blacks is ridiculous. It's the same as saying that people who like certain tv shows or certain soda brands should be equated with various races.
One is an immediately identifiable ethnicity of humans with millenia of shared culture, history, struggles, and dialects... the other is just who you like to frick. They're not the same thing.
But it's not a clearly definable genetic characteristic. It's simply aesthetics and environmental factors. That's no way to determine a class of people. Saying gays are a class unto themselves equivalent to blacks is ridiculous. It's the same as saying that people who like certain tv shows or certain soda brands should be equated with various races.
One is an immediately identifiable ethnicity of humans with millenia of shared culture, history, struggles, and dialects... the other is just who you like to frick. They're not the same thing.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:13 pm to HT713
Its a troll, bro.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:16 pm to WDE24
quote:
Its a troll, bro.
yeah it basically has to be
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:17 pm to WDE24
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One could hold the view that all humans are born heterosexual by nature and that due to environment, nurture and/or choice some choose to be homosexual.
if it was environment or nurture the person is not responsible for their orientation and it would be immoral to discriminate against them (even if you contend the orientation should preferentially be straight)
the contention that gay people want to be gay strikes me as generally ridiculous - most gay people I've heard talk about it agonized and suffered socially because their orientation is not considered acceptable.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:19 pm to molsusports
quote:No one is arguing that they should be discriminated against.
it would be immoral to discriminate against them
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:20 pm to WDE24
The coach is arguing they should not be protected from discrimination like other minorities
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:22 pm to M Le Rip
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It is not his right to say it and not get fired.
meh...I kind of disagree, I think this is being blown out of proportion. The guy doesn't feel like they should receive extra protection...I agree with him.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:23 pm to molsusports
quote:
if it was environment or nurture the person is not responsible for their orientation
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The coach is arguing they should not be protected from discrimination like other minorities
Wouldn't nurture and environment determine someone's favorite color, or favorite brand of car, or favorite website? Do we have anti-discrimination laws set up specifically for these people? Are they equated with other, actual, protected races?
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:24 pm to genro
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Wouldn't nurture and environment determine someone's favorite color, or favorite brand of car, or favorite website. Do we have anti-discrimination laws set up specifically for these people?
Has anyone ever been beaten to death for liking the color blue?
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:25 pm to HideChaKidz
quote:There are laws against beating people to death regardless of the motive. What is your point?
Has anyone ever been beaten to death for liking the color blue?
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:25 pm to genro
quote:
Wouldn't nurture and environment determine someone's favorite color, or favorite brand of car, or favorite website? Do we have anti-discrimination laws set up specifically for these people? Are they equated with other, actual, protected races?
I think we can start worrying about that issue when we can show cases of being being fired or beaten up for liking the wrong color
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:26 pm to WDE24
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There are laws against beating people to death regardless of the motive. What is the point?
We are talking about discrimination here. You took my quote completely out of context.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:27 pm to molsusports
quote:What a bout when people get fired for having the "wrong" religious beliefs?
I think we can start worrying about that issue when we can show cases of being being fired or beaten up for liking the wrong color
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:30 pm to WDE24
well that would depend wouldn't it?
if you fired someone for being christian or muslim then you should lose that discrimination suit.
if on the other hand you were fired for harassing your colleagues with your proselytizing or referring to a person as a dirty jew then I think you should obviously be fired for that
if you fired someone for being christian or muslim then you should lose that discrimination suit.
if on the other hand you were fired for harassing your colleagues with your proselytizing or referring to a person as a dirty jew then I think you should obviously be fired for that
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:31 pm to molsusports
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I think we can start worrying about that issue when we can show cases of being being fired or beaten up for liking the wrong color
Man fired for wearing Green Bay Packers tie
14 employees fired for wearing orange
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:32 pm to molsusports
So then you agree this coach shouldn't be fired for voicing his personal opinion that is informed by his religious beliefs on a political hot button issue.
It would be similar to firing someone for openly supporting pro-life legislation.
It would be similar to firing someone for openly supporting pro-life legislation.
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