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re: Nebraska assistant football coach really really really does not like gay people

Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:43 am to
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:43 am to
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shite, I agree with him.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:54 am to
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and your little explanation is cute and all, but that is the easiest one in the entire group to defend. Some are much more egregious than that


There were 80+ examples given and after my bedtime. I chose one almost at random. You pick one that's more egregious and if time permits I'll venture a response if time permits.

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you don't think saying a women must be silent makes her inferior?


I think men and women are different (not inferior) because God purposefully created us so. He assigns roles and functions according to His designs. By analogy, I don't consider children less human than parents but moms and dads teach and discipline children, not vice-versa. God commands men to assume roles of protection and provision in homes and leadership in His churches.

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TigerBait1127


As noted, I'll try and respond to the "contradiction" you select but IMO this path has wandered too far from the OP for further discussion in this thread.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 10:39 am to
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God purposefully created us so. He assigns roles and functions according to His designs. By analogy,



the bible, and your God-idea, are mainly about exerting authority.

he assigns roles. sure.

because some rabbi said so, eh?

the troublesome thing about the prancing biblical scholars on here is that we KNOW you dupes vote, based on your 'book'.

bible means book. holy book. holy bible.

book.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 10:41 am to
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the bible, and your God-idea, are mainly about exerting authority.

so is your hallowed progressivism
Posted by Athanasius
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 11:48 am to
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the troublesome thing about the prancing biblical scholars on here is that we KNOW you dupes vote, based on your 'book'.

bible means book. holy book. holy bible.

book.

Even though us Christians believe the bible when it says all Scripture is God breathed, if you take that issue out for a moment of if God Himself inspired the men that wrote the books of the bible and just look at some basic facts:

A)The Bible is not just a normal book. It is the most special book on the planet.

1)The Bible is the most well read and famous "book" in the world. It also is the top selling book of alltime.

2)The printing press was the invention to first do one task: Find a way to get the Bible into the peoples hands. It was created to print the Bible. Thus it was the first book if from a printing press as the printing press was invented for that task.

3)Many evil men have tried to destroy the bible(the manuscripts that make up the books of the Bible). Many men, thousands, risked and gave their lives printing the Bible or distributing the Bible even though for a long while it was a crime. God promised to preserve His Word(His words in His Book and so He has as History has proven out).

4)Many Nations have experience massive revivals when this "book" has reached their Nations in their own language. The King James Version literally changed the Nation of England for instance.

5)Millions upon Millions have been radically changed, Born Again, after reading scripture. One cannot know the countless people in Prisons and Jails who once handed a Bible and read for the first time have radically been transformed by the Power of it.

6)It predicted and records thousands of prophecies, to which thousands have already happened and some left to pass.

7)It claims to be alive, active, and living- the Breath of Life. One can read any other religious book or any philosophical book and then read the Bible and they do not remotely compare.

People that attack it usually do not know it. And if they know of it some, they usually just get cherry picked verses and try to twist them. Most have never just sat down and read it through. But either way, the Bible is anything other then just a normal Book. That would be Historically and Factually Incorrect!
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:43 pm to
fricking great

we have no problem identifying crazy muslims when they say this stuff about the koran... and yet supposedly normal people in our country sound the same and we accept this idiocy

Come on guys - the bible is a hodgepodge of texts which have been translated repeatedly, edited, had context removed, and otherwise altered

Picking out a few passages which justify hating homosexuality is no more logical than accepting slavery, stoning adulterers, condoning genocide, stoning people who work on teh sabbath, or calling the consumption of shellfish an abomination

Its pretty much time that we grew up as a culture and stopped this silliness. If you have an opinion just be a man and say you don't like gay people
Posted by BrocraticMethod
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 2:22 pm to
Ok, the Bible doesn't say that society has to afford equal rights/protections to gay people, fine whatever. Last time I checked the Bible wasn't the actual law in this country.

What about the 14th Amendment? Which says that no state shall "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

If he wants to think that gays are unnatural according to God he can go ahead and think that, but the Constitution says that ALL people are entitled to the same protections under the law even if the Bible didn't. He's gonna have to live with that.

Posted by AlwysATgr
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:03 pm to
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we have no problem identifying crazy muslims when they say this stuff about the koran... and yet supposedly normal people in our country sound the same and we accept this idiocy


Equating Coach Brown's statements to the concept of Islamic jihad is completely unfounded. Do you really think these are moral equivalents? Is any dissent allowed in America without it being characterized as jihad, hateful, homphobic and the like?

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Come on guys - the bible is a hodgepodge of texts which have been translated repeatedly, edited, had context removed, and otherwise altered


I would agree with much of this but "hodgepodge" is a little much. In spite of translations, etc it still maintains its meta-narrative and offers a consistent, comprehensive world view. Pretty impressive.

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Picking out a few passages which justify hating homosexuality is no more logical than accepting slavery, stoning adulterers, condoning genocide, stoning people who work on teh sabbath, or calling the consumption of shellfish an abomination


You are confusing a covenantal theocracy, personal Christianity, and secular society. Scripture maintains a consistent witness from Creation to the consummation of the ages that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination before God.

There is nothing hateful about taking a moral stand on a moral issue. What comes across as hateful is when people elect to demagogue rather than debate the truth claims, merits, arguments, and ideas.

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Its pretty much time that we grew up as a culture and stopped this silliness. If you have an opinion just be a man and say you don't like gay people


The silliness here is when some take that which is unnatural and attempt to institutionalize and normalize it. It's not innate, the parts don't correspond, and they (gays) don't reproduce.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:06 pm to
It is not a case of denying "gays" equal protection. Rather, it is the case that there is no need to afford them special protections.

Homosexuality is a behavior, an act; not something innate.
Posted by Athanasius
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:07 pm to
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Come on guys - the bible is a hodgepodge of texts which have been translated repeatedly, edited, had context removed, and otherwise altered

That is a lie from the pit of hell. Your twisting truth might work with a baby Christian that does not know their stuff, but not on me bro. The very Greek/Hebrew texts are awesomely preserved. It may be true that one text to the other might have a dot or hash not there or missing, the most minor of things. But there is such great volumes of them, of each book, that we can compare. And when they find new scrolls, like dead sea ones, and match with more recent ones, they are a match. I don't think you really want to attempt to get into a Biblical Textual debate with me bro. For you will find that your little re-spun talking points from others attacking such things are not true. And you will be pointed out for not having a clue what you are talking about. There are many of us that eat, drink, sleep the Bible. Your not even remotely going to know what you are talking about, you being a man that does not care to understand the Bible. And attempting to spread lies will only make you look like a fool.

And so many were translated into other languages that we can easily cross check them. The accuracy of scripture attack is just a lie from the pit of hell done by people that hate God and the truth which rests inside that scripture. You are not fooling anybody.

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Picking out a few passages which justify hating homosexuality is no more logical than accepting slavery, stoning adulterers, condoning genocide, stoning people who work on teh sabbath, or calling the consumption of shellfish an abomination

Again, you have not any clue what you speak about. There is a old Covenant and a new one. The new Testament Church is under the New one, ie Jesus. The old Testament Israel was the only nation on earth where the Nation/Govt and the Religion were one in the same and ordered by God. They had different rules and customs. Much was meant for types and shadows of things to come, things having fulfillment in actual things New Testament and with Jesus. The Old Covenant is no more. It has been done away with. But there is a new Kingdom created. But this one is invisible and Jesus is the King. So those old ceremonial laws of old Israel such as not eating pork ect.. do not apply, as the New Testament talks about all this. To understand any issue or passage, you have to understand those things in their Context. And you clearly do not understand such. So when you quote those OT ceremonial laws or such things, us Christians just shrug our shoulders as they do not apply. We know that. But apparently you do not. And your attempt to Cherry Pick things that are not relevant in any way shape or form is pathetic. You clearly show you ignorance of the Bible and Christianity by doing so.
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Its pretty much time that we grew up as a culture and stopped this silliness. If you have an opinion just be a man and say you don't like gay people

Grew up? If you have not checked the culture yet, the culture is getting much more wicked in all ways. And history shows the further a country gets away from God, it turns wicked. That is why our country is going to pot...just look around and study history. As far as not liking gay people. I think you get easily confused. Christians that believe the bible clearly teaches that homosexuality is a abomination before God and of his creative ways do not beat up gays. We could care less what they do in their homes. Plug males poop shoots all day long if you desire. The only problem we have is you trying hard to brainwash our children that it is ok or normal or natural. That, we take offense to. And as for Marriage, that is a religious thing. No one is keeping you from living with a another guy, having him dressing up in dresses like a woman, and getting your waste hole plugged every night. And no one is holding you back from getting a power of attorney, if you want to be committed to someone, so that you can get death, hospital, other rights. But don't try to lie and call man on man wedding marriage, for its not. And don't try to force your liberal propaganda down our children's throats. True Christians treat all people the same. We would be the last to beat anyone up for being gay. That is not the way of Jesus. But neither is the way of Jesus to Lie and Call what His Father said was a Abomination unto his eyes.

You have been preaching this liberal "Diversity Training stuff" for several years now. Yet the only ones that cannot be handle Diversity is you guys. You want to use that to mean indoctrinate. And you guys preach Tolerance for everybody, however you are the most In-tolerant of other views people there are! There is a word for such and it is called Hypocrites.

Frankly there should be no hate laws of any kind. Murder should be punished equal for all people, and not special classes. That is all this guy was against. Not agreeing with setting up special classes. A true Christian would never beat up a gay person. However, its funny, a street preacher went to Frisco a while ago, and got the crap beat out of him by tons of gay guys. You use double standards and are hypocrites. And everything elts is just a cover for you to try to Ram your perversion down our throats and get our children to except and endorse your perverted ways. And it's never going to happen with us. Just to let you know...
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:18 pm to
you have no clue what you are talking about and the "lie from a pit of hell" line is cute but just tells me you have no idea how many different versions of the bible there are, how hotly debated the different interpretations are, and how much evidence there is that people have picked and chosen from the options to preach the version they want to talk about

this is not a religion board, we need one but have had religion banished from first the political board, and now the OT board... perhaps because a discussion of religion leads to manifestos from people like you and derision from people like me

anyway you sound like a barking mad jihadist from the middle east or pakistan and it would be nice if more reasonable people would call the charlatans and fakes what they are - liars, thieves, cheats, hate mongers, and people who would go to hell if there was one and it judged people on the basis of their virtue
Posted by Athanasius
Member since Jun 2011
140 posts
Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:26 pm to
To any that are attempting to argue that Homosexuality is Natural really is has to stretch the truth much! Ever see plumbing parts, or other parts. They are called Male ends, Female ends. They are opposite but built for each other to fit. A Male and Female match, cause they were created that way. And they can create babies and carry on humanity by generations of babies.

Now Homosexuality does not fit. Female to Female. The two pieces do not fit. Male to Male. That also does not fit. In order for for this attempt, one has to put the special tool created to be inside a wife inside a guys butt. That is a place where the waste shoot is. It was not created for that task. A guy can get cut up much and bleed as a result. And in time, a guy can lose his ability to control bowl movements because it is not "natural" that that thing go up in there. And neither can a baby be created with either female to same or male to same. Even a small child can figure out this is called, "Un-Natural". The pieces were not designed to fit that way.

To try to spin this throws all science, biology, logic, reason out the window. And you all know this. So pretend that we are too stupid to see this plainly your spinning and twisting of the truth! And some parents take offense to others trying to brainwash their children of such unnatural and perverted behaviors.

But if one still wishes to engage in unnatural behaviors, no one is stopping you. And if you care for someone that much, then get a power of attorney. There is hardly that much you are missing vs Marriage then. But don't expect us to bend over when you desire to Ram this Marriage and other gay agenda issues down our throats as a plan just to get the culture to soften up and endorse such unnatural perverted behaviors!
Posted by Athanasius
Member since Jun 2011
140 posts
Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:33 pm to
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you have no clue what you are talking about and the "lie from a pit of hell" line is cute but just tells me you have no idea how many different versions of the bible there are, how hotly debated the different interpretations are, and how much evidence there is that people have picked and chosen from the options to preach the version they want to talk about

You want to try me?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:37 pm to

are you really going to claim the bible is consistent from version to version? that it doesn't contradict itself repeatedly?

that stuff is incredibly obvious to anyone who has done even a little bit of reading on the subject

you might be trolling i suppose - or perhaps just so irrational on the subject that you can justify anything
Posted by Athanasius
Member since Jun 2011
140 posts
Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:55 pm to
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are you really going to claim the bible is consistent from version to version? that it doesn't contradict itself repeatedly? that stuff is incredibly obvious to anyone who has done even a little bit of reading on the subject you might be trolling i suppose - or perhaps just so irrational on the subject that you can justify anything

I am guessing by the word, "version" you are meaning type of translation. If so, I will call it translation. True, there are many different translations out there, good and bad. And your right, they do not all say the same things. Why is because any company or peoples are welcome to have the freedom to create their own Translations and not be arrested if they are incorrect. And many wolfs in sheeps clothing(and the bible talks about these people)have done just that. They are purposefully created different or new translations that are in great error. Like cults, (JW's- New World Translation) and liberal feminist ones that take out all references to God the Father and are gender neutral even though in the original Hebrew and Greek that is highly inaccurate. And the other just really liberal ones that purposefully incorrectly come up with theirs to deceive people. Nothing is even holding you back buddy from creating your own Translation(or version as you call it). You can even give yours any name you wish. You do not even have to know Greek or Hebrew to come up with one. And you can sell it and market it to anyone you wish. But that does not mean that it is accurate and true...

There simply are good and bad Translations out there. And there are people, like me, who study the languages and can know easily which are the good ones and which are the bad. We do have the freedom in this country, as well as other countries, to print off books of whatever we want and call them whatever Titles we wish. To even remotely lump them all together then use the bad ones, which were created by people intentionally wishing to deceive, as tools against the good ones and say, "See there, there are contradictions between Translations therefore they all must be incorrect and how are we do know if any of them are true" is complete illogical pathetic reasoning. And this is what you are doing. This just shows you really do not know what you are talking about with these issues.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:15 pm to
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"See there, there are contradictions between Translations therefore they all must be incorrect and how are we do know if any of them are true"


the all must be incorrect is probably one step too far

what should be said is when you have multiple versions of the same text being promoted as the literal truth... and they contradict each other. then, no more than a maximum of one of those texts can actually be the truth.

Posted by genuineLSUtiger
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:45 pm to
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Just another delusional fundamentalist.
Posted by nvasil1
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:51 pm to
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what should be said is when you have multiple versions of the same text being promoted as the literal truth... and they contradict each other. then, no more than a maximum of one of those texts can actually be the truth.

This. If it wasn't the case, there wouldn't be several denominations of Christianity with different Biblical canons including and/or excluding various texts.

It's not a criticism of one's beliefs; it just shows that there are different interpretations of Scripture amongst different groups of Christians. It doesn't necessarily have to do with literal translation.

If Brown doesn't like homosexuals, that's fine. I don't even think he should lose his job. But if he lives his life according to Scripture, perhaps he should be more concerned with loving his neighbor as himself, since it is equally important to loving God and the Bible says there are no commandments greater than those. Unless that's too gay for him.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:50 pm to
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Just another delusional fundamentalist.


We're all fundamentalists - some just have different fundamentals than others.
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