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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by theducks
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:25 pm to
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Sure they do, if Philly doesn't want to take salary (or the players that Houston has) in a trade. It might not be "shedding salary" per se, but they need a team to agree to take those players and give Philly something that they want. It's basically shedding salary if you're honest


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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:33 pm to
Pels have a want for Tobias Harris per Shams
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:34 pm to
That would be a million times smarter than going after Horford imo
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:35 pm to
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Pels have a want for Tobias Harris per Shams


Pels need to give him the max
I hoped the Clips would resign him
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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130337 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:36 pm to
Sounds like the Horford stuff was pure speculation on a few peoples parts and not reality.

The Harris stuff sounds solid, but the Pels are included with like 10 other teams that want him. Doubt he chooses us.

It would be a fun as hell team though.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:38 pm to
Every time Harris leaves a team the team gets better don’t they. And he has been passed around an awful lot hasn’t he.
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:05 pm to
Are there any stat indicators to predict players that are about to level off or severely drop in production? So odd older guys getting big contracts just to handcuff a team. Is that purely to appease fans / season ticket holders?
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:09 pm to
Can you please add some context to your question?
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:18 pm to
Many players 32-34 years of age land massive contract deals and their huge drop off is typically inevitable in the very near future far before the contract expires. They also are likely to get injured and cannot log the minutes. The value is greatly diminished when you strap your cap for 1 player who either gets hurts or just loses a step altogether during the tenure of your contract. It seems like NBA players get long term contracts too late in their careers versus what's good for the team in the long haul.

I'd have to go find examples obvi but it appears to be the case.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:25 pm to
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Every time Harris leaves a team the team gets better don’t they.
No
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:28 pm to
I like Harris but not sure the fit is right for them. On that team I could see him dominating the ball and not sure that’s the best thing for the long term development of all the Pels youngsters
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:31 pm to
He’s a good player but I’m also curious about the fit. Something that’s been argued for the past few days on PT
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:32 pm to
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On that team I could see him dominating the ball and not sure that’s the best thing for the long term development of all the Pels youngsters

One pro about Tobias is that he doesn't have to be ball dominant to be good.

With Lonzo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion, all guys who can facilitate, I wouldn't worry about Tobias thinking he has to be ball dominant.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:35 pm to
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Many players 32-34 years of age land massive contract

I would say this typically only happens with superstars. And part of it is due to the way the CBA/Salary Cap is structured, it is hard to replace a large salary with another salary if you are already a team working close to the cap. For example, if KD leaves the Warriors, they have no cap space to replace him with. But, they could re-sign him due to having his Bird Rights. Another part of the equation is that teams don’t want to let a player (asset) walk away for nothing, when they may have used assets to acquire that player. An example of this is the Rockets/Chris Paul. They were in a situation last season where they had to re-sign him, even though most knew it would be a bad idea.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59927 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:52 pm to
Never been a needle mover anywhere he has been.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130337 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:28 pm to
SI came out with an article saying the Lakers efforts to clear cap space so far have gone nowhere.
Posted by WITCH DOCTOR
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
3474 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:46 pm to
BTW....this Mr Perfect seems like a dick.....or a sucker...

maybe both...
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37083 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:47 pm to
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SI came out with an article saying the Lakers efforts to clear cap space so far have gone nowhere.


Mannix is a Boston shill, this is fake news.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:51 pm to
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this is fake news


translation: I don't like what he said
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 9:51 pm to
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Many players 32-34 years of age land massive contract deals and their huge drop off is typically inevitable in the very near future far before the contract expires. They also are likely to get injured and cannot log the minutes. The value is greatly diminished when you strap your cap for 1 player who either gets hurts or just loses a step altogether during the tenure of your contract. It seems like NBA players get long term contracts too late in their careers versus what's good for the team in the long haul.



When 32-34 year old dudes are signed to massive contracts one of two things are happening.

1. The team feels that signing the player gives them a legitimate 2-3 year window of winning a championship. If they win 1 then the player digressing or being shite in that 4th year is worth the cost.

2. It's a poorly run franchise who never can get free agents to sign and they sign a guy based on name alone so the GM can say he did something. I'm honestly really surprised it didn't happen with Melo. Maybe teams are learning or maybe there was just enough evidence against it.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 9:55 pm
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