- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: NBA Considering Changing Draft Format
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:29 pm to brgfather129
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:29 pm to brgfather129
quote:Amazing how you're missing the point. This proposal eliminates in-game tanking, so we're talking about in-game tanking. In-game tanking includes coaches substituting players in ways that reduce your chances of winning.
That's exactly what "tanking" is...fielding a roster that is not competitive.
quote:It happened regularly before, hence the lottery to discourage it. There is a lot of talk of teams tanking this year, and the NBA can't have it, hence proposals like this.
No one is "losing games on purpose".
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 2:31 pm
2
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:32 pm to ballscaster
You are the one that is confused about what "tanking" is. Players are not losing games intentionally.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:34 pm to brgfather129
quote:You may be right. There is reason to think you may be wrong. If not, no one would have proposed this.
You are the one that is confused about what "tanking" is. Players are not losing games intentionally.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:34 pm to ballscaster
quote:I follow Bob Voulgaris on Twitter, one of the best follows out there for NBA. He's always talking about subtle tank moves by teams. One, for example, is for a coach to go straight to constant pressure defense when the opposing team reaches the bonus early in a quarter. It's little, hard to notice things like that.
This proposal eliminates in-game tanking, so we're talking about in-game tanking. In-game tanking includes coaches substituting players in ways that reduce your chances of winning.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:35 pm to shel311
Right. Teams are tanking in-game. It's clear. Something has to be done. When it happens, tanking ends, GM's show up at work, and the leave is all the better for it.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:42 pm to ballscaster
quote:
Something has to be done.
Why?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:42 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:The on court product
Why?
Money
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:44 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Why?
Well...when you are of the opinion that players who are one step away from playing in Turkey under the tutelage of a coach who may never get a head coaching opportunity in the league again have zero pride and are intentionally throwing games for a franchise looking to dump them at first opportunity, you will believe anything.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:44 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:For the same reason Tim Donaghy can't officiate anymore. The universally-understood spirit of athletic competition is part of what a spectator is buying. If teams tank, that is compromised and, therefore, not provided to the customer.
Why?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:46 pm to brgfather129
quote:You have a shallow understanding of the several layers of in-game tanking.
Well...when you are of the opinion that players who are one step away from playing in Turkey under the tutelage of a coach who may never get a head coaching opportunity in the league again have zero pride and are intentionally throwing games for a franchise looking to dump them at first opportunity, you will believe anything.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:48 pm to brgfather129
quote:The subtle in game tanks have been talked about by folks who study and live and breathe hoops, not just a couple of random message board posters.
Well...when you are of the opinion that players who are one step away from playing in Turkey under the tutelage of a coach who may never get a head coaching opportunity in the league again have zero pride and are intentionally throwing games for a franchise looking to dump them at first opportunity, you will believe anything
If you don't think it's happening, you're being awfully naive.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:50 pm to ballscaster
quote:
You have a shallow understanding of the several layers of in-game tanking
When This guy is tweeting nightly about specific subtle tanks, you may want to open your eyes and at least consider the possibility, rather than downplay and/or mock it.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:01 pm to shel311
Right. Nobody is missing shots on purpose, throwing the ball away, etc. In-game tanking is about substitution patterns and offensive and defensive strategies that benefit the opponent. It hurts the league, and if the league can do something to get rid of it, they have to do it. In-game tanking is way worse than the worst team not getting the first pick.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:09 pm to ballscaster
quote:This!!
Right. Nobody is missing shots on purpose, throwing the ball away, etc. In-game tanking is about substitution patterns and offensive and defensive strategies that benefit the opponent
I'll freely admit I don't see it as I watch it, I'm not looking into things with that much detail. But there's enough folks that are looking at those things talking about it for me to recognize its presence.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:33 pm to reddman
I think stan van gundy has been proposing something along these lines for a while.
Overall I think it would improve the NBA product significantly. Getting rid of ten plus teams a year trying to tank to get a high draft pick is an ongoing embarrassment. Setting things up to encourage teams to try and get better and put the best product on the court they can should be the bottom line for the league.
It is a good proposal and I hope they do something like it to make the NBA better.
Overall I think it would improve the NBA product significantly. Getting rid of ten plus teams a year trying to tank to get a high draft pick is an ongoing embarrassment. Setting things up to encourage teams to try and get better and put the best product on the court they can should be the bottom line for the league.
It is a good proposal and I hope they do something like it to make the NBA better.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 3:42 pm to shel311
quote:The effects of such in-game tanking can be even bigger than you think. A 6-8 week injury to your star player will always err on the -8 week side, and players who know you're tanking are logically less likely to work as hard as they can. It just makes for a shitty product compared to what it can be when all teams are competing in earnest.
This!!
I'll freely admit I don't see it as I watch it, I'm not looking into things with that much detail. But there's enough folks that are looking at those things talking about it for me to recognize its presence.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 4:16 pm to brgfather129
I wouldn't mind this. As long as you draft well you could put together a contender through the draft this way.
I know it's completely unrealistic to look at it this way but taking the Trail Blazers for example; starting from the Oden pick, they could've feasibly ended up with something like:
C: DeAndre Jordan
F: LaMarcus Aldridge
F: Omri Casspi
G: Klay Thompson
G: Damian Lillard
Plus a solid bench. Obviously not every team would be so fortunate but there are plenty of solid players throughout the first round. You just need a little luck to hit when you do get one of those top picks.
I know it's completely unrealistic to look at it this way but taking the Trail Blazers for example; starting from the Oden pick, they could've feasibly ended up with something like:
C: DeAndre Jordan
F: LaMarcus Aldridge
F: Omri Casspi
G: Klay Thompson
G: Damian Lillard
Plus a solid bench. Obviously not every team would be so fortunate but there are plenty of solid players throughout the first round. You just need a little luck to hit when you do get one of those top picks.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 5:24 pm to ballscaster
You want to eliminate tanking this is what you do. Relegate the bottom two teams in the league each year. Then promote the two best teams in the D-League and award them the first pick to the top D-League team and the second to the second place D-League team. No need for lottery and no meaningless games at the end of the season. That would pump more money and interest into the D-League. They can't be much worse than the worst teams in the east. But it'll never happen. Owners would never go for that.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 5:28 pm to RTR America
quote:well technically they had the 7th worst record that year and they had the #2 pick the year before and drafted almarcus aldridge. yes, it sucks they drafted a player who couldnt stay healthy in the NBA, but it was also a lottery winning pick which they didnt really deserve...
Or imagine the Greg Oden scenario with this proposed format. Portland would have been screwed.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 5:36 pm to brgfather129
quote:i agree. for the large majority, i think guys play hard and try hard, even on bad teams. but i do think franchises dont always try to win under the current format. they dont sign a key guy they could get b/c theyre not trying to actively win.
You are the one that is confused about what "tanking" is. Players are not losing games intentionally.
think of this scenario: the team is kinda struggling in january and they are at a fork in the road-- trade away a good player and good role player for picks to rebuild or grit through and try to right the ship, including possibly trying to acquire a small, missing piece. under the current format it behooves you to throw in the towel if you cant win big, "get younger guys some playing time", and set up a lottery-esque finish to the season. under the new one idea, trying to lose would never be an option b/c it doesnt help you. keep trying, trade for someone, try to make the playoffs where anything can happen.
right now theres nothing worse than being the 9 seed in each conference. its ok to be really bad, b/c its rewarded. i think thats a problem
Page 6 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News