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re: NBA Considering Changing Draft Format
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:34 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:34 pm to shel311
Such a fricking terrible idea. Large market teams would be able to dominate with their ability to bring in free agents. Small market teams would be fricked without the ability to build through the draft.
Consider how OKC and Miami were built, except what OKC did would be virtually impossible.
Consider how OKC and Miami were built, except what OKC did would be virtually impossible.
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Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:36 pm to ballscaster
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Miami is the 17th team in term of market size.
They're always high in profits, and thats whats important
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:37 pm to Ed Wuncler III
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They're always high in profits, and thats whats important
Market size is silly to bring up when discussing Miami. They are able to attract free agents because of where they are located.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:40 pm to ballscaster
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Again, if you're in a small market, and you don't have the resources to improve your team, you probably shouldn't have a team. But that's not the case. The smallest market teams do just fine. Better than the largest market teams, in fact.
largely because they were able to hit big in drafts with excellent players. Any small market team who has done anything whatsoever in regards to winning a title or legitimately competing for one has done it through the draft.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:44 pm to shel311
quote:Which in most instances was their own fault. Im sure in Michael Jordan's head, he was putting together championship squads in Washington and now in Charlotte. We've seen the reality over and over though, he's made bad decisions at almost every turn.
It's both in some instances. As a result of being bad and having no shot, they tank to get a better shot at a higher pick.
There's a reason its the same group of teams year after year who are terrible. Its Its not bad luck
Call it tanking, or whatever, but I don't see how the league legislates Orlando scrounge together some garbage pieces to compete sooner, after Dwight forced them to blow their team up.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:45 pm to eyeran
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We've seen the reality over and over though, he's made bad decisions at almost every turn.
They are actually building a pretty decent roster in Charlotte right now
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:46 pm to St Augustine
quote:And they'll get just as many good picks as the large market teams will. Compare that with the current system where they get fewer good picks since they win more games than the large market teams.
largely because they were able to hit big in drafts with excellent players. Any small market team who has done anything whatsoever in regards to winning a title or competing for one has done it through the draft.
The Clippers have gotten more high picks than anyone in the lottery era. It's amounted to nothing.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:50 pm to RTR America
quote:So then why are there teams where no one wants to live? Why would the people who run those teams keep their teams there if they can't make it work? Whose problem is that?
Market size is silly to bring up when discussing Miami. They are able to attract free agents because of where they are located.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:52 pm to ballscaster
You mean the massive sample size you used to frame your faulty argument?
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Top 5 market teams (NY/BRO/LA/LA/CHI), 2006-2013: .500
Bottom 5 markets (NO/MEM/SA/OKC/MIL), 2006-2013: .509
Top 5 market teams in today's standings: 62-75
Bottom 5 market teams in today's standings: 71-61
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:54 pm to St Augustine
That's a sample size of over 5000 games and a time frame that is longer than the average NBA career.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 1:55 pm to Ed Wuncler III
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They're always high in profits, and thats whats important
They've only been high in profits in the 3 seasons since Lebron came over.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:02 pm to ballscaster
Also a lot of those "bottom" markrt teams are the only pro sport within the city. Thats why NO, Denver, Philly dont have as much fan support as SAS, Por, Mem
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:04 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
Who is your team...just out of curiosity?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:10 pm to reddman
Let's just say for the sake of discussion this new draft format is implemented, which effectively eliminates the need to tank. Clearly revamping the entire process will require significant changes to the CBA to increase the level of flexibility under the cap with more exceptions/amnesty clauses/etc...because if you are only going to give teams a top-6 pick once every five years, you need to give them more opportunities to sign/trade/acquire players.
I am the decision-maker for a struggling NBA franchise. Now, instead of tanking for higher draft position I am shedding contracts to better position myself to acquire players. In the end, "solving" a "problem" only creates a newer, different problem because under either scenario the team isn't interested in competing in a given year, only positioning themselves for the future. I'm gutting my roster either way.
I am the decision-maker for a struggling NBA franchise. Now, instead of tanking for higher draft position I am shedding contracts to better position myself to acquire players. In the end, "solving" a "problem" only creates a newer, different problem because under either scenario the team isn't interested in competing in a given year, only positioning themselves for the future. I'm gutting my roster either way.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:13 pm to brgfather129
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I am the decision-maker for a struggling NBA franchise. Now, instead of tanking for higher draft position I am shedding contracts to better position myself to acquire players. In the end, "solving" a "problem" only creates a newer, different problem because under either scenario the team isn't interested in competing in a given year, only positioning themselves for the future. I'm gutting my roster either way.
Hell some teams do this already
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:13 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Pelicans. The smallest market team in the NBA.
Who is your team...just out of curiosity?
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:17 pm to RTR America
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Hell some teams do this already
Exactly...solving the draft "problem" doesn't eliminate teams who aren't competing at present in order to better position themselves for the future.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:19 pm to brgfather129
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Exactly...solving the draft "problem" doesn't eliminate teams who aren't competing at present in order to better position themselves for the future.
Or imagine the Greg Oden scenario with this proposed format. Portland would have been screwed.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:20 pm to brgfather129
quote:Amazing how you're missing the point. Fielding a shitty roster is one thing. Fans can choose whether or not your roster is worth watching.
Exactly...solving the draft "problem" doesn't eliminate teams who aren't competing at present in order to better position themselves for the future.
Losing games on purpose is terrible. Fans have decided that they will pay to watch you, and you don't even compete to win the game.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 2:26 pm to ballscaster
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Amazing how you're missing the point.
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Fielding a shitty roster is one thing.
That's exactly what "tanking" is...fielding a roster that is not competitive.
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Losing games on purpose is terrible.
Players are not "losing games on purpose".
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 2:27 pm
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