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re: My biggest problem with following soccer or the World Cup.

Posted on 6/26/26 at 10:51 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 10:51 am to
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For what gain?




precision. Not being beholden to some random time kept out of the eyes of the public.

Its the stupidest fricking shite ever. Oh here's 5 minutes. Trust us

Just stop the clock when necessary and the time ends on time.

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People are complaining about the hydration breaks and your solution is we should add more stoppages where they can insert ads.


Why would there be more stoppages?
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 10:53 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28100 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:13 am to
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Not being beholden to some random time kept out of the eyes of the public.
But it’s not really random. If you’ve watched enough soccer, you know exactly when the whistle is about to be blown. You develop a feel for the game and every experienced soccer viewer knows the moment in the game when the whistle is coming. It may seem odd to you, and it was to me when I was new to the sport.

But once you develop the feel for the game, the full time whistle is so natural.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28036 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:16 am to
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Why would there be more stoppages?

You are arguing for more precise time. That would involve stopping the clock every time the ball is kicked out or a player is hurt or someone is fouled.

When you stop the clock, they insert ad breaks (see the new "hydration breaks" created for this world cup and the ~$800 million in ad revenue they will generate in the US alone).

With a running clock like soccer has, there isnt normally a chance to insert ad breaks during the game.
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If you’ve watched enough soccer, you know exactly when the whistle is about to be blown.

Exactly. When the clock runs past the +7 minutes, the ref gives the team with the ball their final attacking chance and if the defense is able to gain possession or clear the ball out, the whistle is blown.

In a 90+ minute game where the clock is running we dont need a precise ending down to the tenth of a second where the offense tries to rush an attack to get the ball across the goalline before the clock hits zero. Its more similar to baseball and coming down to the final out. That out happens when the defense stops the attack.
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 11:20 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:22 am to
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You are arguing for more precise time. That would involve stopping the clock every time the ball is kicked out or a player is hurt or someone is fouled.



Why would this be any different than what they are doing now

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When you stop the clock, they insert ad breaks


Why would they do that? Why would that be any different than what they are doing now? Here's the solution: don't do that


This is the stupidest shite I have ever heard

When a player is moaning and writhing on the ground, stop the clock but do exactly what you are doing now.

When the refs are reviewing a play stop the clock and do exactly what you are doing now

Restart the clock when the ball goes back into play

No such thing as "overage" time.

Nothing else would change whatsoever except for arbitrary bullshite
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 11:23 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:25 am to
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But it’s not really random. If you’ve watched enough soccer, you know exactly when the whistle is about to be blown. You develop a feel for the game and every experienced soccer viewer knows the moment in the game when the whistle is coming. It may seem odd to you, and it was to me when I was new to the sport.

But once you develop the feel for the game, the full time whistle is so natural.


You realize that your "feel" is subjective completely

Time is the time. The game is 90 minutes. The clock stops every time the ball is not in play and then restarts when it is. The game ends at exactly minute 90

Any other argument is just "we've done it this way"
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150744 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:28 am to
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Its more similar to baseball and coming down to the final out
except not at all since baseball has explicit and non subjective endings to their games and you don't see an ump give another team an extra out because theres a runner on 3rd
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 11:31 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:33 am to
Can you imagine if in American Football the refs were just like here's an extra 5 minutes, trust us

and then that 5 minutes goes by and they are like "psyche, keep going" because one team is in the redzone

its totally absurd
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28036 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:33 am to
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Any other argument is just "we've done it this way"

If it aint broke dont fix it
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:34 am to
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If it aint broke dont fix it



Its broke.

its not accurate, subjective, arbitrary, and can lead to games being fixed.

This isn't 1967

We have the technology. Stop the clock. The game ends at minute 90

The end
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28036 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:35 am to
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When the refs are reviewing a play stop the clock and do exactly what you are doing now

You are making my point for me. What happens when they stop the clock in the nfl, nba, etc to review a play? Commercial break. Soccer fans dont want clock stoppages because we dont want commercial breaks.

FIFA made a rule you couldnt have commercial breaks going when the hydration break ended and Fox broke it the first day of the world cup.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:35 am to
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You are making my point for me. What happens when they stop the clock in the nfl, nba, etc to review a play? Commercial break. Soccer fans dont want clock stoppages because we dont want commercial breaks.


ok

Don't do commercial breaks
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150744 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:40 am to
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Soccer fans dont want clock stoppages because we dont want commercial breaks.

we just want our leagues names be those commercials for us
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:45 am to
I am perplexed here

Just don't do commercial breaks when the player is moaning and writhing on the ground like he's been shot with 9mm in the nutsack

Its that easy

Change nothing whatsoever about what you are doing now except...stopping the clock?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150744 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:46 am to
Like basketball somehow has a commercial break every single time the clock stops? Or football? Like what
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131368 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 11:50 am to
"THIS PLAYER GOING OUT OF BOUNDS IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY ARBYS WE HAVE THE MEATS"
Posted by midnight_chopper
Member since Mar 2018
763 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 12:45 pm to
I don’t have a problem with them allowing the throw in at the end of the game that led to the score. My issue is that the same ref ended the first half where we had the ball in the same scenario.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
28036 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 1:02 pm to
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My issue is that the same ref ended the first half where we had the ball in the same scenario.

yeah quite a few people had an issue with that
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63550 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 2:48 pm to
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Think I’m just being unreasonable, but I like games I can see how much time is left.



Well, this isn't one of those games.

I find it crazy how inflexible some people are. It's just different rules that aren't governed strictly by a time limit...like baseball...or golf...or bowling...or tennis...or motorsports...etc.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7414 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 2:56 pm to
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Can you imagine if in American Football the refs were just like here's an extra 5 minutes, trust us



Can you imagine in American football, a player goes down and then the TV announcers say something like, "We'll be right back after this injury timeout." Me either.

I'm not saying you're outright wrong about stoppage time, but there's no way you can't recognize that as soon as they add hard stops to the clock commercial breaks will follow. It's literally already happened with the water breaks and they don't even hard stop the clock during those.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12958 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 3:05 pm to
It’s supposed to be continuous action, no stoppages. This hydration break thing is brand new and the fans are booing it half of the time. They add extra time for injuries and stoppages like that. Judgement call by the ref.

Also, look at this way. These guys run an average of 5-7 miles per match. So they will take an opportunity to catch their breath by staying down a few extra seconds after a hard tackle.

We understand American Football intricacies, so we enjoy the strategy and don’t mind that they stand around and do nothing for the majority of the running clock in the game. In the huddle, at the line of scrimmage, or after a play. It’s just familiarity.

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