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re: Most Overrated Player In NBA History
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:19 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:19 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Why do you keep insinuating you don't know what is meant by saying someone is a better basketball player than another guy? That's an extremely clear and direct statement, but you keep changing the parameters to "better athlete" or "more skilled"
He’s not more skilled, if that’s what you’re implying.
Lebron is a better NBA basketball player than Kobe, MUCH MUCH better. I don't get why, even if you don't disagree, why you don't understand that statement.
quote:Can you tell me where you rank Bill Russell and who do you have ahead of him? Let's truly find out if winning matters to you or if it only matters when convenient to fit a narrative
Kobe 3peated and went back to back.
At a certain threshold of greatness, winning matters. It may not to you.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:21 pm
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:21 pm to shel311
quote:no, I’m clarifying that there’s a difference. For instance, Shaquille O’Neal is a better athlete than Dream. Dream was more skilled.
Why do you keep insinuating you don't know what is meant by saying someone is a better basketball player than another guy? That's an extremely clear and direct statement, but you keep changing the parameters to "better athlete" or "more skilled"
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:23 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:But no one was talking about who was a better athlete or more skilled. Sure there's a difference, but that wasn't what was said. Again, it was a clear and concise statement, who is the better basketball player.
no, I’m clarifying that there’s a difference. For instance, Shaquille O’Neal is a better athlete than Dream. Dream was more skilled.
Embiid is more skilled than Shaq. No one would ever argue he's a better basketball player than Shaq. So if I said Shaq is a better basketball player, can you explain how it would make any sense at all for you to reply by saying, "But Embiid is more skilled" ?
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:26 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Eric Gordon over Curry
Nice context
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Westbrook over Durant.
Wut
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:27 pm to shel311
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Can you tell me where you rank Bill Russell and who do you have ahead of him? Let's truly find out if winning matters to you or if it only matters when convenient to fit a narrative
Sheldon I do make points to fit my argument. As do you. Where do you think Russell should rank? How important is winning to you?
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:27 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’m clarifying that there’s a difference. For instance, Shaquille O’Neal is a better athlete than Dream. Dream was more skilled.
Cool. We're talking about basketball play, not athleticism or skill alone (although they both contribute to basketball play).
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:27 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Can you tell me where you rank Bill Russell and who do you have ahead of him?
Sheldon I do make points to fit my argument. As do you. Where do you think Russell should rank? How important is winning to you?
quote:Don't know but not top 5. Winning, in terms of rings, not terribly important when judging an individual player. See, I'm consistent. How about you?
Where do you think Russell should rank? How important is winning to you?
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why is this so difficult to grasp, is beyond me.
Cool. We're talking about basketball play, not athleticism or skill alone (although they both contribute to basketball play).
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:30 pm to Boodis Man
I don't know if he's overrated, underrated or whatever. He's just so damn unlikable. He's probably never read a book since 6th grade and been told since then he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't need that person's opinion on politics, religion, foreign policy. Just shut up and play ball.
I like my heroes with a shot of humilty. I remember an interview with Michael Jordan's dad back when MJ was in his prime. He basically said "thank heavens God made him a basketball player, if he had to do real work, he never would have made it."
I like my heroes with a shot of humilty. I remember an interview with Michael Jordan's dad back when MJ was in his prime. He basically said "thank heavens God made him a basketball player, if he had to do real work, he never would have made it."
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:32 pm to shel311
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But no one was talking about who was a better athlete or more skilled. Sure there's a difference, but that wasn't what was said. Again, it was a clear and concise statement, who is the better basketball player.
It is what was said because I said it.
Kobe has won more, is more skilled and is less of an athlete.
If you value pure athletic prowess when drafting players your team would have Karl and LeBron at the 3/4. Bird and Duncan if you prefer skilled. I’ll take the latter.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:34 pm to shel311
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Embiid is more skilled than Shaq. No one would ever argue he's a better basketball player than Shaq.
The list of "more skilled" players than Shaq is probably in the thousands in NBA history
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:36 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:But you said it as an answer to who is the better basketball player, so you're trying to change the subject if that is your response.
Kobe has won more, is more skilled and is less of an athlete.
If you value pure athletic prowess when drafting players your team would have Karl and LeBron at the 3/4. Bird and Duncan if you prefer skilled. I’ll take the latter.
If you value the better basketball player, you'll never take Kobe over Lebron, because Lebron is the better basketball player.
I value better basketball player over anything when determining who is the better basketball player
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:37 pm to shel311
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Why is this so difficult to grasp, is beyond me.
It's not. He's being clever.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
That’s only because you guys don’t know what “skill” means. You guys think skill means more range and better 3 point shooting which would mean Steve Kerr was more skilled than Isaiah Thomas and that isn’t true. Shaqs feet were light years better than Embiids, his instinctive understanding of angles, positioning and timing is way better than Embiids and before his weight blew up he was by far the most athletic and instinctive 7-footer to ever play.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:39 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Kobe has won more, is more skilled and is less of an athlete.
If he was more skilled why was he worse from 3 for most of their respective careers? Why so few assists comparatively? Why was Lebron a vastly better playmaker overall?
And Kobe is a half notch below Lebron's athleticism. He was a super athlete. Don't try to downplay his super plus athleticism b/c it was a major factor in his play, just like with Lebron.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:39 pm to shel311
Mark Jackson
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:42 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I don’t have LeBron over 7-8 guys for sure.
Name those 7-8 guys.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:43 pm to Boodis Man
There are tons of overrated players in NBA history but Lebron isn't one of them. This is absurd.
Boom's hero is #1 for the modern NBA I would say. Has incredible numbers in the regular season, gets a high seed, then flames out and plays like poo against the first good team he plays.
Boom will be here to defend him within the hour
Boom's hero is #1 for the modern NBA I would say. Has incredible numbers in the regular season, gets a high seed, then flames out and plays like poo against the first good team he plays.
Boom will be here to defend him within the hour
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:44 pm to wmtiger69
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I like my heroes with a shot of humilty.
You must absolutely hate Jordan then.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
You know there have been rules changes and they’ve effected perimeter scoring mostly but scoring and possession totals overall in a major way right?
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