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re: Most dominant athletes in their prime

Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:55 pm to
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Gretzky and it isn’t really close


This isn't really a debate.

Nobody dominated their peers in their prime years like Gretzky and Ruth.

Ruth is the choice for the classical era, Gretzky for the modern era.

Gretzky won the Art Ross Trophy (which isn't based on a vote like MVP in the NFL and NBA) 10 times and 7 years in a row.

1981-1987 is the most dominant an athlete has been over his peers in tangible numbers and championships comparable only to Babe Ruth 1921-1927.

LeBron and MJ and Kobe - it's as if they won the scoring title and assists title 4 years in a row.

If Wayne Gretzky had never scored a goal, he'd still have won 3 Art Ross Trophies in a row.

1982-83:
1. Wayne Gretzky = 125 assists.
2. Petr Statsny = 124 pts

1984-85:
1. Wayne Gretzky = 135 assists
2. Jari Kurri = 135 pts

1985-86:
1. Wayne Gretzky = 163 assists
2. Mario Lemieux = 141 pts

In 1983 Gretzky scored 87 goals in 74 games. The guy who came in second scored 56 goals in 75 games.

From 1981-1987 Gretzky averaged over 200 points per season.

Not a single NHL player had even ONE season during that span with over 150 points.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:16 am to
Healthy Gronk was just sick. He had some of the most insane touchdowns I've ever seen.
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:38 am to
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Prime Deion was the most dominant nfl player I've ever seen if if he didn't tackle.


Yup
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70511 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:13 am to
Lmao you do know they play more games now right? I figured you didn’t, LeBron cronies are quite ignorant.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 6:33 am to
Al Oerter...
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:10 am to
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athletes

quote:

Dale, Sr.


Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:19 am to
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Good indicator is when they change the rules to contain you.



Lew Alcindor tyfys
Posted by crash1211
Houma
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:44 am to
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Babe Ruth Gretzky.

Add Wilt Wilt Chamberlain
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
10285 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:23 am to
Prime Shaq is always under appreciated. The NBA literally changed its rules to undermine his sheer dominance.
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:58 am to
I think the mist overlooked is Dave Winfield. I keep forgetting about him even though I didn’t see him in college.
Winfield played college baseball and basketball. Drafted in 3 different pro sports and 4 teams total. Dave didn’t even play college football but still got drafted.

Jim Brown seems to be one of the most gifted athletes ever.
From Wiki:
In addition to his football accomplishments, he excelled in basketball, track, and especially lacrosse. As a sophomore, he was the second-leading scorer for the basketball team (15 ppg), and earned a letter on the track team. In 1955, he finished in fifth place in the Nation Championship decathlon.[9] His junior year, he averaged 11.3 points in basketball, and was named a second-team All-American in lacrosse. His senior year, he was named a first-team All-American in lacrosse (43 goals in 10 games to rank second in scoring nationally). He is in the Lacrosse Hall of Fame.[10] The Carrier Dome has an 800 square-foot tapestry depicting Brown in football and lacrosse uniforms with the words "Greatest Player Ever".[11]

Jackie Robinson was also ridiculously athletic and excelled in multiple sports.
In Robinson's final football season at UCLA he led the Bruins in rushing (383 yards), passing (444 yards), total offense (827 yards), scoring (36 points) and punt return average (21 yards). He averaged 5.9 yards per carry in his career.
In 1939 and 1940, Robinson led college football in punt return average.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105259 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:56 am to
Secretariat
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55375 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:27 am to
Pele
Wayne Gretzky
Wilt the Stilt
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:28 am
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:37 am to
Jim Brown
Lawrence Taylor
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Muhammad Ali

Nuff said
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:44 am to
As usual. Clueless...
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:07 pm to
As usual, dumb
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:15 pm to
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ThePTExperience1969

quote:

Lawrence Taylor



I remember when you used to try to convince us that Ronnie Lott was the most dominant man on a football field, yet now you don't even list him. Glad to see you learned something.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39408 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:07 pm to
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Lew Alcindor


Kareem is the most dominant H.S./College athlete ever along with Dan Gable.

Kareem lost 4 games in 7 years of H.S. And College (he wasn't allowed to play as a Freshman; but his Freshman squad beat the defending National Champs UCLA Varsity squad and Preseason #1 in a live reffed scrimmage game by 15 points.)

He won 5 National Titles (H.S. And College) and 5X National Player of the Year (would've been 6 if he had been allowed to play as a Freshman at UCLA and he would have 4 straight National Titles at UCLA.)

Imagine if Tebow started as a Freshman at Florida, won the National Title 4 years in a row and the Heisman 4 years in a row and lost only 2 games in the process.

That's sort of Kareem...oh, and if the NCAA changed the rules to stop Tebow.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:23 pm to
Game knows game, son
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:36 pm to
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Add Wilt Chamberlain


Absolutely should be near the top of the list. Averaged 50 PPG in 1961! His first seven years in the league, ages 23-29, 543 games, he averaged 40 points and 29 boards per game.

On top of that, blocked shots were not tracked until after he retired. However, there are apparently 112 games from his career with enough film/data to extrapolate his blocked shot totals. Over those 112 games, he averaged 8.8 blocks per game. And, those games were late in his career. Imagine what his blocked shot totals were during those first seven seasons.

Numerous NBA rules were added in response to Wilt's dominance.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30200 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:39 pm to
Haven't read through the thread. The first ones that came to mind for me were Mike Tyson, Jim Brown and Wayne Gretzky. I think Lawrence Taylor also has to be considered.
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