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Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:57 pm to LSUJuicer
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Now at preseason you can pretty much call who will be in the finals at preseason. The league only carries about three contenders a season
its always been this way, you goon
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:57 pm to SabiDojo
2 3-peats are better than one so I still have to stick with Jordan here
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:02 pm to LSUJuicer
quote:LOLLLLLLLLLL. Okay, let's look at the champions in the 80's, 90's, and 00's...
The league was much better during the days of MJ. Now at preseason you can pretty much call who will be in the finals at preseason. The league only carries about three contenders a season. The NBA is San Antonio, Miami and OKC right now. No surprise all three are still alive. The Clippers are close to jump up in that discussion but not quite there yet. The NBA has become the toughest sport to watch because it's too predictable. Match that with the worst home court bias officiating in sports and the product is really bad.
1980's: Lakers won 5 titles out of 8 appearances. So only 2 times in the 80's were the Lakers not in the Finals. The other 2 times it was the Houston Rockets.
So the Lakers and Rockets were the ONLY 2 teams to come out of the West in the 80's.
Boston won 3/5. Philly was 1/3 and Pistons were 1/2 (they also won one more in 1990, making 3 straight NBA Finals appearances).
So in the entire decade of the 1980's, there were only 5 different teams in the NBA Finals, with 2 teams winning 8 of those titles.
1990's: Bulls won 6/6 titles. Rockets were 2/2. Spurs 1/1. Pistons 1/1 (but it was part of their 3-straight appearances in '88, '89, and '90).
So 8 of the 10 titles won in the '90's were won by two teams.
So it's not different at all compared to today. The 00's - 10's were dominated by the Lakers and Spurs.
And the 10's - present are dominated by the Heat.
The NBA has been the same, you are just not remembering the past how it actually was.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:05 pm to Stringer Bell
KDs comeback magical championship this year is better than LBJ
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:08 pm to OutofTownAlumni
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KDs comeback magical championship this year is better than LBJ
He probably needs to worry about getting to the finals before he wins them.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
Parity is hard to create in basketball when you involve 7 and 5 game series.
Only 5 players on the court at the time and often no matter how good the coach is the team with the better players usually wins. It has been this way forever.
I'd argue the success of multiple small market teams shows there has been progress in the parity department.
Biggest issue facing the league isn't a parity issue, it is a balance issue between the conferences.
Only 5 players on the court at the time and often no matter how good the coach is the team with the better players usually wins. It has been this way forever.
I'd argue the success of multiple small market teams shows there has been progress in the parity department.
Biggest issue facing the league isn't a parity issue, it is a balance issue between the conferences.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
The NBA since 2000 has been awesome. Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, and Dallas have won titles. Six teams in 14 years is pretty good.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:56 pm to Mohamed Ali
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All of this. And it isn't even close.
Why do I have a feeling YOU weren't even born till the late 80's.............. So that means you were basically 10 when the Bulls won the last three-peat........
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:58 pm to LSUJuicer
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Now at preseason you can pretty much call who will be in the finals at preseason.
unlike the 80s, when you could pencil in the lakers and celtics?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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unlike the 80s, when you could pencil in the lakers and celtics?
Not so fast.....The Sixers made the finals in 1980,and 1983. The Pistons made it in 1988,1989, and 1990. The Rockets made it in 1981 and 1984.But the game was way more wide open and YES it had its bad teams... BUT the EAST NEVER looked this bad for this long back in the 80's....
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:18 pm to LSUJuicer
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The league was much better during the days of MJ. Now at preseason you can pretty much call who will be in the finals at preseason. The league only carries about three contenders a season. The NBA is San Antonio, Miami and OKC right now. No surprise all three are still alive. The Clippers are close to jump up in that discussion but not quite there yet. The NBA has become the toughest sport to watch because it's too predictable. Match that with the worst home court bias officiating in sports and the product is really bad.
Yea dude no one picked the pacers to in the finals earlier this season
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:32 pm to Mohamed Ali
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The NBA is better now than it was during MJ's day
yes
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so I say Lebron's single three peat.
no
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
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Sure thing. People are just bigger, stronger, faster, smarter with better training and information then ever before and world records are flying off the board in all sports.
But they aren't.
The record for the 400 meters was set in 1999. Same with the mile. The high jump record was set in 1993. the long jump? 1991, and it has held longer than Bob Beamon's fabled jump from Mexico City. If it weren't for Usain Bolt, Michael Johnson would be the record holder still in the 200 (set in 1996) OK, the 100 meters has dropped marginally, but Bailey's 1996 performance would have won gold or silver at very Olympics until 2012.
This idea that humans are crushing the marks set in the 1990s is demonstrably false. If anything, the 90s were ahead of now in raw athletics, demonstrated in track and field. Usain Bolt, excepted.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:41 pm to lsutothetop
Two three peats is always better than one. And the players on a whole may be a little better than the 80's and 90's, but the East the past few years has been a shitshow.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:48 pm to Baloo
quote:Let me rephrase, the absolute best in the 90s is close to the absolute best of today. But go look at the times of the guy that came out 10th in the 90s compared to today. It is almost a second difference. The overall human now as compared to 20-30 years ago is vastly superior. This really isn't debatable
The record for the 400 meters was set in 1999. Same with the mile. The high jump record was set in 1993. the long jump? 1991, and it has held longer than Bob Beamon's fabled jump from Mexico City. If it weren't for Usain Bolt, Michael Johnson would be the record holder still in the 200 (set in 1996) OK, the 100 meters has dropped marginally, but Bailey's 1996 performance would have won gold or silver at very Olympics until 2012.
ETA. In 1992, 1 runner ran under 10 seconds. In 2012, every single runner ran under 10 seconds
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:51 pm to PrimeTime Money
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1990's: Bulls won 6/6 titles. Rockets were 2/2. Spurs 1/1. Pistons 1/1 (but it was part of their 3-straight appearances in '88, '89, and '90).
So 8 of the 10 titles won in the '90's were won by two teams.
Let's not even put the Rockets on the Bulls level. The Bulls won 6 titles, so anyone winning two of the next four would make it 8 of 10. The Bulls were legitimately awesome, but the West was wide open in the 90s: 7 different teams won the West in the 90s, and no one more than twice. It takes some dishonest finangling of the numbers to make it look like it was the Rockets and the Bulls crushing everyone.
BTW - three teams split those other four Western titles.
The Heat have won four straight East titles, and there's nothing inherently bad about that, as the NBA lends itself easily to dynasties. That said, they've partly won four straight because the East is so weak. The Heat are a massively flawed team that no one can take advantage of due to their own flaws. the Bulls, OTOH, beat some teams in the East who might have been worthy champs in another era (Pacers and Knicks, not to mention the end of the Pistons).
Posted on 5/31/14 at 2:56 pm to lsupride87
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The overall human now as compared to 20-30 years ago is vastly superior. This really isn't debatable
Yes, it is. I totally debate it. We didn't evolve as a species in two decades. That's an absurd proposition (though drugs got better, and more easily hidden). The overall human is the same. It's just massive ego stroking that makes us think that we've somehow crossed this Rubicon.
Yes, there is a huge difference between now and the 60s, when athletes couldn't really devote all of their time to sport for economic reasons, and besides, most of the world was still digging out from a world war and the resulting effects on nutrition and the like. Equipment has gotten much better, but humans? No. We're pretty much the same as we were a generation ago.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 3:07 pm to Baloo
quote:In the last 20 years the advances in training and nutrition has been vast.
Yes, it is. I totally debate it. We didn't evolve as a species in two decades. That's an absurd proposition (though drugs got better, and more easily hidden). The overall human is the same. It's just massive ego stroking that makes us think that we've somehow crossed this Rubicon.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 3:13 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I can remember songs that came out in the late 90's that people thought were garbage when they came out that were "killing real music". Then you go to Youtube today and look up those songs and all the comments are saying things like "now this is REAL music". Or "I only listen to classics like this". "Real old-school music". "They don't make songs like this anymore... way better than today's garbage". It's like those people didn't realize that the same stuff being said about today's music was said about the song they are commenting on. It really blew my mind.
This actually is a really good post, people always remember the past as the good old days
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 3:21 pm
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