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Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:35 pm to WestCoastAg
Never said they aren’t greedy as well, assuming the exclamation marks denote a satirical tone. I did say, “right or wrong”.
I don’t think either side can expect any sort of sympathy from the public. We just want baseball. Sit down and reach an agreement until it happens.
I don’t think either side can expect any sort of sympathy from the public. We just want baseball. Sit down and reach an agreement until it happens.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:36 pm to dhuck20
And literally no human would be ok with agreeing to take apay cut, only for someone to come back to them and demand more, up to 75% in some cases, which the owners will 100% use as precedent to pay players less kn the future. That isnt being greedy. Thats a natural reaction to someone dealing in bad faith
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:56 pm to WestCoastAg
I don't think the players should budge too much off of prorated salaries. They should get paid based on the number of games played. They shouldn't have to give up any more. That would be like the players coming after the owners for more money on top of their salaries when things are booming. The owners may lose money. Sorry, that's the cost of doing business sometimes. We're about to see just how much these owners really care about the fans that line their pockets.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:11 am to TigerFanInSouthland
If you were as good as the dudes in MLB there isn't a chance in hell you'd play for $10 a game. If you were able to play a full 162 games that would make out to just $1620 over the course of a 6 month season.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 4:58 am to tigercubs
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Hearing a LOT of rumors about a certain player agent meddling in MLBPA affairs. If true — and at this point, these are only rumors — I have one thing to say... Scott Boras, rep your clients however you want to, but keep your damn personal agenda out of union business.
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The Major League Baseball Players Association plans to send a proposal with economic terms to MLB by the end of the week, sources familiar with the discussion told ESPN. As @Max_Scherzer tweeted, the players do not plan to make any salary concessions.
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News at ESPN: Players want a season of 100+ games, full prorated salaries and a look at specific documents to better understand MLB's finances. The MLBPA's forthcoming proposal may simply ignore MLB's economic proposal. Here is where it leaves baseball:
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 5:58 am to tduecen
Seems like there’s enough negotiating going on that they’ll eventually find a deal. Make it happen soon and we can start the season by July
Posted on 5/28/20 at 6:01 am to 5 Deep
They agree on everything but money, players refuse anything but their prorated and owners want some type of sliding scale.
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 6:09 am to tduecen
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[quote]News at ESPN: Players want a season of 100+ games, full prorated salaries and a look at specific documents to better understand MLB's finances. The MLBPA's forthcoming proposal may simply ignore MLB's economic proposal. Here is where it leaves baseball: LINK ]
Link is broke?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 6:21 am to SHOtime Tiger
Passan linking his own article
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:20 am to tduecen
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Most if not close to all players believed — right or wrong — that financial issue was settled with March 26 agreement at prorated basis (meaning salary per game stays same). Owners believe prorated pay was predicated on fans attending. Sides need to resolve different belief.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:29 am to tduecen
I can't link the twitter thread, but Eugene Freedman posted a good explanation of Max Scherzer's statement yesterday and the strategy the player's union is employing.
Freedman is a labor lawyer that also writes for Baseball Prospectus. Hopefully someone can copy/paste it here, as I am incapable.
ETA: It's about how labor negotiations have to take place and why the players can't respond to MLB's proposal.
Freedman is a labor lawyer that also writes for Baseball Prospectus. Hopefully someone can copy/paste it here, as I am incapable.
ETA: It's about how labor negotiations have to take place and why the players can't respond to MLB's proposal.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:21 am to ProjectP2294
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Late last night several things were reported about what to expect today from the MLBPA, but most importantly, Max Scherzer, one of the Union's highest officers, made a statement. Scherzer's statement, along with the reporting from the Athletic matches up. The Union will not be 1/
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responding to management's proposal on pay reductions. As I've stated for weeks, by responding to management's proposal, the Union would be reopening and essentially voiding the March agreement on pro rata pay. Scherzer's statement was definitive on that subject, and 2/
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he's not merely a player. He's an officer in the Union. He was authorized to make his statement and it was carefully worded.
@Ken_Rosenthal @EvanDrellich report that the proposal the Union will make deals with the length of the season. This schedule proposal is hours of work 3/
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under the NLRA's mandatory subjects of bargaining: wages, hours, and terms and other conditions of employment. It's not wages, despite its link to pay based upon the March agreement for pro rata pay. The Athletic reporters also shared the economic feasibly language from 4/
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the March MOU... the commissioner’s office will provide to the union a proposed schedule “using best efforts to play as many games as possible, while taking into account player safety and health, rescheduling needs, competitive considerations, stadium availability, 5/
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and the economic feasibility of various alternatives.”
They summarized it as " the unilateral ability to determine whether the season will begin, and by extension, a heavy influence on what type of schedule will be played." 6/
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So, what does the schedule proposal really do? It is the Union doing exactly what management did in its last proposal. The Union negotiated away to the Commissioner the discretion of when to start the season and for how long it will go. Now, they are proposing to reopen that 7/
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portion of the March MOU.
It's a very tactical move. The Union is saying, You want to reopen our pay agreement. We won't. We want to open our agreement giving you the right to schedule the season.
It's a parallel proposal that will go nowhere for the exact same reason. 8/
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The subject has been agreed to and foreclosed. Without mutual consent of the parties it cannot be reopened. There is no way management will reopen this section on unilateral discretion. The Union has found a very strong way of proving its point that the March agreement is 9/
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in full force and effect and should not be reopened.
Now, let's bargain the issues that we haven't concluded, like health and safety so we can begin playing again.
There will be no proposal on pay.
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:24 am to tduecen
MLB is finished if they can’t figure out a way back onto the field
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:27 am to tduecen
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Owners believe prorated pay was predicated on fans attending.
Well, they're idiots then. Why would they believe fans would be in attendance with all the bs going on?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:28 am to tduecen
Thank you.
This will all go over the heads of the casual fan and they will scream about the players being greedy.
But overall, the players have to act this way because the owners are acting in bad faith and trying to get the players to set precedents that will be used against them in the next CBA.
This will all go over the heads of the casual fan and they will scream about the players being greedy.
But overall, the players have to act this way because the owners are acting in bad faith and trying to get the players to set precedents that will be used against them in the next CBA.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:42 am to NOSA
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I'm sure you are also willing to do your current job for 50% less pay.
Everyone in any job wants to be paid the max they can get, it's not any different just because it's a sizable amount of money.
True. But if your choice is being paid -0- or being paid $7M out of $20M, I think I would take getting some pay over getting none. It's not like they are going to collect unemployment and get more money.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:46 am to ProjectP2294
We all know a strike is coming, we are going to lose multiple years of seeing Trout, Harper, Acuna, Bellinger, Judge, etc...
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:47 am to LaLadyinTx
Now imagine you already agreed to a pay cut in the form of prorated salary. Also imagine that if you did take further pay cuts, management would only use that as precedent to pay you less in the future
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:48 am to LaLadyinTx
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True. But if your choice is being paid -0- or being paid $7M out of $20M, I think I would take getting some pay over getting none. It's not like they are going to collect unemployment and get more money.
But you’re not taking into account the potential of setting dangerous precedents for all future CBA negotiations. Would you rather make $0 dollars this year to insure that you will keep your $20mil next year or make $7mil this year and take the risk of only making 7mil afterwards?
That’s what the players are trying to avoid. They don’t want to concede because they don’t want the league asking for salary forgiveness every time attendance dips. The owners have proven they can’t be trusted to act in good faith so the players have to stand firm.
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