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re: Mike Leach wants 64 team playoff in college football
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:31 pm to Baloo
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:31 pm to Baloo
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If you view college football as one big league, then we are simply never going to agree. That is the sticking point.
This is what I've thought for awhile--thanks for putting it into words, though. I agree that's the primary sticking point. Personally, I view college football more as one big league as opposed to a confederation of conferences. I look to the conferences for differences in styles of play (i.e., the premium put on defense in the SEC, or the high flying offenses of the Big12, or whatever). Winning your conference is great, but if you have your eye on the big prize (national title), then I believe you have to accept that the road to winning said title can, and possibly will, trump the road to winning your conference.
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Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you act as if there isn't a reason for that
CFB is the only american sport rational enough to admit the truth: not all undefeated seasons are equal
That is nice but it still makes the sport a joke.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the great thing about CFB is that teams know their role and don't all believe they can win the national title
To me, that's a travesty. Let 'em prove their worthiness on the field of play. frick this prepackaged bullshite.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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To me, that's a travesty.
not everyone can be brain surgeons, brah
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:35 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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That is nice but it still makes the sport a joke.
how? by not living in a fantasy land where all conferences and schedules are equals? that's a joke
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:36 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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That is nice but it still makes the sport a joke. to you
FIFY.
What's a joke is thinking the Sun Belt Champ is "better" than the top 2-3 teams from the SEC, Big 12, B1G etc. 2007 Hawaii had no claim to be the NC in 2007. Denying that is just silly.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:37 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Let 'em prove their worthiness on the field of play. frick this prepackaged bullshite.
They play 11-13 regular season games. If you can't plainly see that certain teams are vastly better than others you really don't know anything about football.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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CFB is the only american sport rational enough to admit the truth: not all undefeated seasons are equal
i think his point is that if a team goes undefeated in other sports, they win the national championship because the only way to be undefeated in those sports is to run through a playoff where you will have to prove yourself.
CFB could make all undefeated seasons equal if they had a playoff.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:41 pm to volfan30
great - then fans can ignore the regular season in college football just like basketball
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They play 11-13 regular season games. If you can't plainly see that certain teams are vastly better than others you really don't know anything about football.
I'm saying to give teams a shot--on paper, one team may look vastly superior, only to get their weaknesses expoited by a supposedly "weaker" team. No, I'm not insinuating that the Toledo Rockets are going to shock the world and whip the Crimson Tide, but to say that just because a fallible poll votes for one team over another means team A cannot possibly beat team B, then YOU don't know anything about football.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2007 Hawaii had no claim to be the NC in 2007
no one thinks this is true. in a playoff, they clearly would have lost as seen in the sugar bowl. terrible example. you have to give an example of a team that actually went undefeated after bowl season for it to even be considered.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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to say that just because a fallible poll votes for one team over another means team A cannot possibly beat team B, then YOU don't know anything about football.
I don't give a shite about polls, I'm talking about what we can see. If you couldn't see that LSU was much, much better than Houston last year, I don't know what to tell you and because they could pull a shocker is exactly why I like expansive playoffs. You earn it on the field for 3 months, not one specially named game.
If you limited it to the top 4 or the top 4 conference winners, you would have had some teams from Non AQ conferences in the playoff.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:47 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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you have to give an example of a team that actually went undefeated after bowl season for it to even be considered.
well, that's not what he is arguing for, i use that example since we got to see what happened to them. Now, what if they play in the LV bowl against a 6-6 Pac 10 team or some shitty MWC team? Being undefeated is not the end all be all.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They play 11-13 regular season games. If you can't plainly see that certain teams are vastly better than others you really don't know anything about football.
I can't remember the last time the best team on paper actually won in any sport with a playoff(NBA NHL MLB NFL college basketball). Maybe the Yankees in 09 and before that the Patriots in 2004?
Posted on 3/23/12 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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only works if all conferences are equal
Which is why the NFL playoffs don't work, given the dispirate quality of divisions. /sarcasm
If you're #2 in a conference, you're clearly not the best team in the country. You are, at best, #2. The goal of a playoff is not to identify the second best team.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 3:55 pm to volfan30
64 teams is retarded for basketball, much less football.
Hell, 16 teams is retarded for college football.
One thing you guys need to remember though. You can never truly determine the "best" team in an sport.
All you can ever do is determine a champion.
Hell, 16 teams is retarded for college football.
One thing you guys need to remember though. You can never truly determine the "best" team in an sport.
All you can ever do is determine a champion.
This post was edited on 3/23/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 3/23/12 at 4:00 pm to Baloo
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Which is why the NFL playoffs don't work, given the dispirate quality of divisions. /sarcasm
The gap between the confernces/divisions in pro sports is no where near as large as it is in college.
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If you're #2 in a conference, you're clearly not the best team in the country. You are, at best, #2. The goal of a playoff is not to identify the second best team.
This is just silly, circular logic and you know it. If say WVU wound up playing LSU in a playoff last year and upset them, there is on rational argument that WVU was the best team in CFB. And it would a joke to say they were better than Alabama or Stanford because they won a crappy conference and Alabama and SU finished 2nd in better conferences.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 4:14 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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I can't remember the last time the best team on paper actually won in any sport with a playoff(NBA NHL MLB NFL college basketball). Maybe the Yankees in 09 and before that the Patriots in 2004?
Thank you for proving my point. Expanding playoffs leads to just that. Off the top of my head I would say 2007 Florida and 2008 UNC teams that won the NCAA BBT were the best teams those seasons.
It is rare that there is 1 clear cut "best" team, especially in pro sports. The last one if the NFL is the 2007 Pats. Most of the time the team that wins is one of the top 3-4 teams all year.
The closest thing to a true accidential champion in the NBA since 1980 was the 95 Rockets and they were the defending champs plus added Clyde Drexler in mid season. In MLB before adding a WC, the worst WS winner was the 88 Dodgers and they had the 3rd best record in MLB that year. Since adding a WC however, they've had more. I've said a million times in these debates, no 5 game WC series could be anywhere as close to as exciting as the 93 NL West race btween the Braves and Giants and the last day of the 2011 season is still not as good. I find it a shame that people can't enjoy that and need to have games played last count the most.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 4:21 pm to volfan30
Mike Leach is a idiot savant. Outside of designing and calling plays, he's a fricking moron.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 4:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
Off the top of my head recently in the NFL, I'd say the 2009 Saints and 2008 Steelers were clearly the best teams in football.
The Lakers winning in 2009 and 2010 were clearly the best teams. Also the Spurs teams were typically the best teams.
I'd say the last times the Yankees and Red Sox won the series they were clearly the best teams.
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It is rare that there is 1 clear cut "best" team, especially in pro sports. The last one if the NFL is the 2007 Pats. Most of the time the team that wins is one of the top 3-4 teams all year.
[quote]It is rare that there is 1 clear cut "best" team, especially in pro sports. The last one if the NFL is the 2007 Pats. Most of the time the team that wins is one of the top 3-4 teams all year.
If anything, this proves the point for a playoff. Just because a team has 1 or 2 more wins during the season doesn't necessarily mean they are better.
Also, it's kinda hard to say the NBA or MLB team that wins isn't the best considering they win a 7 game series to knock an opponent out. They aren't just winning one game like in football.
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