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Posted on 12/3/25 at 3:17 pm to ThePoo
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Think Miami beat 3 of them by more
Miami 159-31 (+128)
ND 192-49 (+143)
That's the aggregate of the scores against common opponents. Doesn't take into account that Syracuse and Pitt each scored a touchdown with less than a minute, and Miami had Beck throwing bombs up 30 with under a minute left to get another TD. It really should be ND +157 and Miami +121. ND has been the more dominate team since the H2H and it's why they are ranked ahead of them.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 3:21 pm to JimTiger72
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It’s an evaluation & they think ND currently looks like a better team than Miami.
And what evaluation could be better than looking at the result of the two teams playing each other?
Its quite disturbing that people like you can vote.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 3:22 pm to Lgrnwd
Who would you rather play if you're the #1 seed (Ohio State)...they'd rather play Miami, come Playoffs.
You guys wanted a big Playoff, this is what tournaments do...weigh over the season of evidence.... Not who beat whom in September. That mattered when CFB still valued the Season as the be all and losses were the end all. Since we now have TWO seasons in one, everything is used to evaluate.
You guys wanted a big Playoff, this is what tournaments do...weigh over the season of evidence.... Not who beat whom in September. That mattered when CFB still valued the Season as the be all and losses were the end all. Since we now have TWO seasons in one, everything is used to evaluate.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 3:51 pm to lionward2014
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Miami 159-31 (+128)
ND 192-49 (+143)
That's the aggregate of the scores against common opponents. Doesn't take into account that Syracuse and Pitt each scored a touchdown with less than a minute, and Miami had Beck throwing bombs up 30 with under a minute left to get another TD. It really should be ND +157 and Miami +121. ND has been the more dominate team since the H2H and it's why they are ranked ahead of them.
The aggregate score is heavily skewed because the ONE game ND beat the common opponent by more was the game they dropped 70 on Syracuse. Talk about running up the score unnecessarily. But at the same time you want to diminish Miami because they kept their foot on gas against Pitt?? Very hypocritical.
Miami and Notre Dame have similar SOS. Miami beat 3 out of 4 common opponents by more points, and wait for it……….BEAT NOTRE DAME.
The fact that this even a debate is mind blowing.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 3:59 pm to Lgrnwd
Does anyone notice that Notre Dame's argument getting in over Miami is the same argument as to why Florida State won the 1993 national title?
I find that fun.
I find that fun.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:07 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
If the games in September don't count, why do they play them?
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:14 pm to Ping Pong
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And what evaluation could be better than looking at the result of the two teams playing each other?
Of the two teams back in August?
I’m sure Virginia is going to beat Duke again & Bama is going to beat UGA again & Texas Tech is going to beat BYU again because there’s no way a team that got beat already could improve & get better, right?
If Miami beat ND back on 8/31 then they’re obviously still the better team.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:24 pm to JimTiger72
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If Miami beat ND back on 8/31 then they’re obviously still the better team.
Exactly. Just like I'm sure FSU is still better than Bama.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:31 pm to Lgrnwd
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The aggregate score is heavily skewed because the ONE game ND beat the common opponent by more was the game they dropped 70 on Syracuse. Talk about running up the score unnecessarily
It was 49-0 midway through the 2nd quarter. The entire rest of the way was only 21-7 ND with backups playing nearly the entire second half, but you think ND ran it up unnecessarily? That game could’ve ended (literally) 84-0.
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Miami and Notre Dame have similar SOS. Miami beat 3 out of 4 common opponents by more points, and wait for it……….BEAT NOTRE DAME.
ND was up 35-3 (on the road) at halftime against Stanford. Miami was tied 7-7 at halftime at home. Acting like Miami’s performance was better because they ended up winning by 35 instead of 29 is ridiculous. It’s a similar story for the Pitt game (though not as drastic). ND was up 21-3 at half; Miami was up 17-7. ND was up 28 when the backups allowed a TD as time expired; Miami was up 24 when Beck threw a bomb with a minute left.
The only one of the 4 common opponents Miami was better against was NC State. The other 3 (Cuse, Pitt, Stanford) ND was better, despite the final scores of the Pitt/Stanford games. Miami threw a completely unnecessary TD against Virginia Tech too the week before with starters in to turn a 10-point win into a 17-point. They’ve had to play their starters the whole game in an effort to try to rack up style points.
About the only data point in Miami’s favor is the head-to-head. That IS important. It was also a 3-point game (essentially the Vegas difference for home-field advantage) in Miami all the way back in week 1. Basically every other data point is in ND’s favor: SOS/SOR, FPI/F+/SP+/Sagarin, fewer ugly blemishes/inexcusable losses, and, yes, performance against common opponents.
So if you think that one metric in Miami’s favor should be a trump card, that is fair. It’s also fair if someone else argues the other side that the vast majority of metrics in ND’s favor trump a 3-point road loss in August. Either way, it’s not some crime against humanity to have ND ranked ahead.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:39 pm to Lgrnwd
Again, ND played two actual football teams and lost to both. Like you said, that includes Miami. Miami should absolutely get the nod
Posted on 12/3/25 at 4:55 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:So Alabama is 10-1, SEC regular season champion, headed to the SECCG, elite SOS, and y’all still want them behind ND?
Not who beat whom in September
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:59 pm to Lgrnwd
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Miami actually beating ND head to head.
The committee will discount that if they have to make a choice between ND and Miami
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:10 pm to Lgrnwd
Notre Dame is also ahead in RPI, Massey, and other ranks and stats too. In many of them it's 5 spots ahead of Miami, not just 2 or 3. Given that Notre Dame is ahead in every metric/ ranking, and that its game with Miami is included in all those metrics, why should Miami get a "double count" for the head to head game? Notre Dame is better.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:30 pm to TigerIron
The gymnastics morons like you jump through to get ND in is hilarious. They lost to Miami. Morons like you need help.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:42 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Does anyone notice that Notre Dame's argument getting in over Miami is the same argument as to why Florida State won the 1993 national title?
I find that fun.
As you can imagine, it's been noted in Notre Dame quarters, and I expect two things:
1. We will probably claim the 1993 national championship, as it rightfully should have been ours all along instead of the Bowden Lifetime Achievement Award
2. Notre Dame will likely sue the ACC for their behavior on media, social and otherwise, and force release from the grant of rights and all obligations to the ACC going forward
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:43 pm to Lgrnwd
When BYU loses, the committee may put Miami over ND.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:44 pm to DaTruth7
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The gymnastics morons like you jump through to get ND in is hilarious. They lost to Miami. Morons like you need help.
They lost to Miami; Miami lost to 2 dogshit teams.
Every ranking and strength of whatever system accounts for all both these things and all of them have ND higher. If the regular season isn't a single-elimination bracket, which it isnt, head to head isn't and shouldn't be decisive especially when it is a close, early season away game.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:19 pm to lionward2014
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Can't use the BCS rankings, it has Miami under ND. COMMITTEE BIAS!
It’s because of Miami’s losses. The computers very much do care about losing to mid teams, and they do NOt care one way or the other about head to head - it’s just a data point.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 10:26 pm to slackster
The fact they will put in a North Texas after they rout Tulane shoews you how the system is F up .It should be the best teams period.If they leave out Miami or Vandy it should be shut down.
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