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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:14 pm to idlewatcher
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As to the OP, why did he lie about his mom and the fake gf dying of cancer on the same day?
He didn't. According to the trans who catfished Teo. They were mad Teo wasn't giving shim enough attention, and did the most extreme thing possible to seemingly punish him.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:56 pm to litenin
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Just finished watching. I fully believe he had no idea what was going on at the time. As the Deadspin guys mentioned, how did every major news outlet including ESPN have no idea either?
I remember story well and how long we were calling BS on the entire thing.
I need to watch the doc, obviously, but I remember how much BS it was that this catfish was such a huge part of his life supposedly yet he never met, never did a video call, and didn’t go to the funeral.
Remember, Skype was a thing before 2005. The fact that they never did this was completely odd.
Given that, yes I think the SEC felt a major bias that he was over rated but his numbers were solid and overall he was a legit 1st round talent. I disagree with the above helping him, this story (and the Bama NC game) crushed his draft potential.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:12 pm to baldona
With his intense focus on football and most of those 3 years more of a casual texting relationship, you can understand better in hindsight. I assume he only considered her as a girlfriend shortly before her fake accident/cancer.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:20 am to litenin
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baldona With his intense focus on football and most of those 3 years more of a casual texting relationship, you can understand better in hindsight. I assume he only considered her as a girlfriend shortly before her fake accident/cancer.
I never gave it much thought at the time, but is so crazy, and agreed.,seems like he was fricked for being a general nice guy
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:24 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:59 am to Enzos Tiny Pito
Manti was victimized for being a decent guy. His only misstep was not being super internet-savvy at age 20. People twice/3x his age get taken for a ride by online scams all the time. His was just higher profile due to him being a D1 athlete having a good run at one of the biggest school brands in the country. I don't hold him at fault.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:45 am to ChunkyLover54
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seems like he was fricked for being a general nice guy
This is the same reason the media went so hard after him. He was some poor, Polynesian dude, that had never really been off the island before going to Notre Dame that found ultimate success. That alone was enough to generate a media frenzy. When that died down some, his gullibility provided them with another story to run with. The media deserves a lot of blame here. They should have done the ethical thing and not blasted some 20 year old kid because they wanted viewers.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 5:40 am to litenin
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With his intense focus on football and most of those 3 years more of a casual texting relationship, you can understand better in hindsight. I assume he only considered her as a girlfriend shortly before her fake accident/cancer.
Gtfo. I was in college a couple years before that. My girlfriend studied abroad a couple summers and we skyped.
While football is time consuming, you also got 100 guys hounding you. If he didn’t have a GF in person the teammates were on his arse. Especially as an all American and well known player.
There was no excuse for ignorance. He was just weird and frankly dumb.
To not require one Skype type of call or meeting in person or any other clear sign the person is real. Weird
Posted on 8/20/22 at 6:28 am to baldona
I assume you watched and are intentionally not mentioning how they discussed the Skype attempts and verifying her identify through mutual friends. These are only my opinions, not trying to convince you.
My main points were that the documentary did a good job of explaining how it ‘could’ happen to him.
My main points were that the documentary did a good job of explaining how it ‘could’ happen to him.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 6:41 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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The media deserves a lot of blame here
The media didn't come up with the story that they met after a football game at Stanford, the media didn't come up with the story that she would visit him in Hawaii. He came up with that, and he used that to fuel a sympathy campaign the entire 2012 season.
The catfisher is a POS for doing what he/she/whatever did but Manti is the one that went to the media and straight up lied about details of their relationship to make it seem sweeter than it actually was, because he knew it wouldn't play as well or would raise questions if he was just up about the exact nature of it from the start. Why else would he just make that stuff up?
He could have easily been up front and truthful by saying something like "I never got to meet my long distance girlfriend because of this disease" and with that it wouldn't have been as big a deal because people would have understood he just got duped like many on the internet have. But that wouldn't have been the media gold mine that it was, now would it? He could have very easily just not brought it up at all and kept it private. That was an option too. But the attention needed to be had.
He was a victim yes, but he wasn't completely innocent in all this either.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 6:43 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 7:28 am to Maximus
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And Teo lying non stop about it got him to be the most decorated defensive player in CFB history when his on field resume was catching 4 tip drill interceptions
Been saying this for years. Compared Lsu players to him after the 2012 season awards but no one wanted to hear it.
All 3 of these players, played 13 games in 2012. I left out the int stats so it would be so obvious.
Player 1
55 solo tackles
75 assisted
130 total
15 for loss
4 sacks
2 forced fumbles
6 pass break ups, 4 qb hurries
Player 2
55 solo tackles
58 assisted
113 total
5.5 for loss
1.5 sacks
Player 3
52 solo tackles
52 assisted
104 total
7.5 for loss
2 pbu, 2 qbh
P1: Kevin Minter
P2: Te’o
P3: Lamin Barrow
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:23 am to olegreg
I don’t think people were really as upset at him for being gullible and falling initially for this shite. It was pathetic, no doubt and he had to want to believe it to let it happen.
People call him out and see what he did as being a pos for keeping on using that fake relationship for notoriety and to pump up himself as a player. I mean, he knowingly lied to everyone perhaps to avoid embarrassment m, but also to get something out of it.
Again, he was always a second and likely third round talent that got bumped up if anything because he lied about it.
It gets tiring to see people using their “victimization” to not get what they deserve, but to get way more than they deserve. Plenty of people have dealt with real, legitimate tragedy and not used it to gain huge benefits like undeserved honors.
Guy is still a pos even if he got his act together. There are things that shouldn’t be forgiven when the person is 20+ years old. We need to stop calling them kids and excusing this stupidity.
People call him out and see what he did as being a pos for keeping on using that fake relationship for notoriety and to pump up himself as a player. I mean, he knowingly lied to everyone perhaps to avoid embarrassment m, but also to get something out of it.
Again, he was always a second and likely third round talent that got bumped up if anything because he lied about it.
It gets tiring to see people using their “victimization” to not get what they deserve, but to get way more than they deserve. Plenty of people have dealt with real, legitimate tragedy and not used it to gain huge benefits like undeserved honors.
Guy is still a pos even if he got his act together. There are things that shouldn’t be forgiven when the person is 20+ years old. We need to stop calling them kids and excusing this stupidity.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:03 am to baldona
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Gtfo. I was in college a couple years before that. My girlfriend studied abroad a couple summers and we skyped.
While football is time consuming, you also got 100 guys hounding you. If he didn’t have a GF in person the teammates were on his arse. Especially as an all American and well known player.
There was no excuse for ignorance. He was just weird and frankly dumb.
To not require one Skype type of call or meeting in person or any other clear sign the person is real. Weird
Have you not watched this documentary? The trans catfisher explains how he always got out of video calls...they tried to do it but there would always be a connection issue or something.
From the documentary it seems like the majority of their 3 year relationship was just casual texting and messaging on Facebook. I don't think he considered the catfish his girlfriend until pretty close to before she "died". I don't think he was telling a bunch of people about this online girlfriend.
Another fricked up thing was when Notre Dame was playing at SC and the catfish guy came to the game to meet him as her cousin and brought the little girl with him and the girl gave Manti the stuffed animal saying it was Lennaya's favorite and she wanted him to have it. That shite is wildly evil for the catfisher to do and I understand Manti with his sheltered Mormon life being confused.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:15 am to rlebl39
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Have you not watched this documentary? The trans catfisher explains how he always got out of video calls...they tried to do it but there would always be a connection issue or something.
If this is true, what a condemnation of the stupidity of our human existence. Only a total moron would accept this kind of social relationship over a period of YEARS. The absurdity of this is so moronic in its nature and execution, that it absolutely defies the laws of common sense.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:41 am to baldona
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Gtfo. I was in college a couple years before that. My girlfriend studied abroad a couple summers and we skyped.
While football is time consuming, you also got 100 guys hounding you. If he didn’t have a GF in person the teammates were on his arse. Especially as an all American and well known player.
There was no excuse for ignorance. He was just weird and frankly dumb.
To not require one Skype type of call or meeting in person or any other clear sign the person is real. Weird
Nobody is fricking off.
The trans person even had a young girl come on the phone and speak to him from time to time. I can absolutely see how that might trick someone even more. I also don't understand why some people get so pissy about someone else being deceived. That's great you wouldn't fall for it.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:43 am to bamameister
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If this is true, what a condemnation of the stupidity of our human existence. Only a total moron would accept this kind of social relationship over a period of YEARS. The absurdity of this is so moronic in its nature and execution, that it absolutely defies the laws of common sense.
I agree that most people wouldn't fall for that. Manti was extremely sheltered growing up though and I don't think had much experience with girls or friends in general really. All he focused on growing up was football and church.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:45 am to beauchristopher
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I also don't understand why some people get so pissy about someone else being deceived. That's great you wouldn't fall for it.
We are just marveling at the sheer stupidity it takes to be on a hook for that period of time.
Manti Te'o makes "dumb and dumber" sound like a law firm.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:40 pm to WaterLink
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He was a victim yes, but he wasn't completely innocent in all this either.
I’m not saying that he was, but the media smelled blood in the water and went way beyond what was ethically sound.
Notre Dame deserves some blame here as well. They handled the entire situation about as poorly as a university could. They had no problem trotting him out there at every opportunity.
I wonder if the makers of the documentary reached out to Brian Kelly for comment.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I agree and with him playing and practicing, I can see how a long distance relationship can be enticing.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:01 pm to beauchristopher
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I also don't understand why some people get so pissy about someone else being deceived
It’s kind of a chicken or egg thing, but if Te’o was some linebacker at a G5 school the whole story is maybe a 5 minute segment on ESPN. Him being the star on the ND team playing in the first national title game blew it up. People are easily 100% more hateful about it because he went to Notre Dame.
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