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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense

Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:10 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:10 am to
Tom Bradys outdoor Passer rating 96.6- with at least 50% being home games


Drew Brees outdoor passer rating 91.2-with almost all being road games



This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 10:13 am
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:18 am to
Brady was starting playoff games at the very beginning of his career. Not really fair to compare those numbers to qbs who weren't in the playoffs til they were at their peak. It's like comparing a current players career totals v a retired player. The current players numbers won't include the end of his career when his numbers dip. In Brady's case you have the beginning of his career included so it's a wee different. Iirc Brady also had to face the GOAT defense ravens quite a few times.This is a clear example of people who are unable to recognise context in stats.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:21 am to
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So playoff Brady is less than a regular season playoff Kessler per your logic.


Kessler this year and Brees on the road in the playoff are about the same amount of games .. similar sample size.


Kessler this year v Brady playoffs ... NOPE not even close to same sample size.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 10:21 am
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:22 am to
quote:

Brady was starting playoff games at the very beginning of his career. Not really fair to compare those numbers to qbs who weren't in the playoffs til they were at their peak. It's like comparing a current players career totals v a retired player. The current players numbers won't include the end of his career when his numbers dip. In Brady's case you have the beginning of his career included so it's a wee different. Iirc Brady also had to face the GOAT defense ravens quite a few times.This is a clear example of people who are unable to recognise context in stats.

Brees's career passer rating is 100.7.

Brady has hit a passer rating of at least 100.7 exactly once season in his career.

Should we pick a certain set of years for Brady since you mentioned the age thing? You tell me the ages, i'll tell you his passer rating during that timeframe. Go!

Time to move to your next argument.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:24 am to
quote:

essler this year and Brees on the road in the playoff are about the same amount of games .. similar sample size.


Kessler this year v Brady playoffs ... NOPE not even close to same sample size.
Kessler this year vs Brady in the last 2 playoff years...Kessler is better.

Similar sample size, so yea, Kessler better than 2015 and 2016 playoff Brady, per Boom.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:25 am to
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Brady has hit a passer rating of at least 100.7 exactly once season in his career.

Passer rating and QB rating are one and the same, correct?

ETA: not talking about espn's made up QBR
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 10:28 am
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:25 am to
I am more of a YPA kinda guy. Both are at 7.5. But Brady hasn't had the benefit of playing half his games inside. FYI only the biggest of saints tards would make this argument the week after the super bowl.
Posted by King George
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:25 am to
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Boomshockalocka
Goddamn, dude. You are getting owned on every post. I'm starting to feel bad for you.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112853 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Passer rating and QB rating are one and the same, correct?

Yes. And if I didn't specify, I did mean in the playoffs.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:27 am to
You are the one using passer rating bubba. I didn't bring it up.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
112853 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:27 am to
quote:

FYI only the biggest of saints tards would make this argument the week after the super bowl
What argument?
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59909 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:28 am to
Not by a long shot.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:28 am to
Okay

Was about to say, if you were talking regular season, that is extremely incorrect.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112853 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:28 am to
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You are the one using passer rating bubba. I didn't bring it up.

I normalized the sample size for ya, but now that it doesn't show what you like, it doesn't count.

Got it.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59909 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:28 am to
Using passer rating to say Brees>Brady
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112853 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:30 am to
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Using passer rating to say Brees>Brady

In the playoffs?

Brees plays the position of QB better than Brady in the playoffs. That's a no brainer, not really up for debate.

Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59909 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:31 am to
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:32 am to
Matt Ryan has a higher rating than Brees, clearly a better postseason QB!!
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:35 am to
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Are you honestly going to argue he doesnt? Holy shite you are stupid

Per game playoff stats

Brees

66%----321 yards/game------2.2tds----0.54ints-------101 rating


Brady

63%------267yards/game-------1.85tds------.91ints------89 rating



Higher %, more yards, more tds, less ints per game


This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 10:36 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112853 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:36 am to
I'm interested to hear how a QB with a lower TD%, INT% and Y/A is better.


Perform worse, that's the ticket to winning more!!!
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