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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:34 pm to shel311
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:34 pm to shel311
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They gave up 22 points.
They gave up 21 points.
The only reason why they didn't give up more is because virtually every single drive the Patriots had in the second half chewed up massive amounts of clock. Their first two scoring drives of the second half took up a combined 12 minutes. That's almost 50% of the total time of the half. It's easy to say the Patriots' defense played well when they barely saw the field in the second half.
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But anyway, any thoughts in when Rodgers plays great in a playoffs loss compared to Brady entire playoffs with 3 total TD passes?
I might have some thoughts if I had any idea what the hell you were talking about. But in general, people don't remember the numbers of playoff losers. They only care about the winners.
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:37 pm to slackster
quote:Brady's first year as a starter, 24.
I'm still going to play the wait and see game with Rodgers because we're comparing him to guys with 7+ seasons on him. The other 3 were starting earlier in their careers and are 5+ years older than him. Career averages for Rodgers are about as insulated and optimal as you'll find without the extremes that you see in the beginning and end of careers.
Rodgers' 1st year as a starter, age 25.
Age is the right way to look at that, doesn't seem like 1 year should explain all of that difference, considering Brady's 1st 3 seasons were all fairly similar.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:38 pm to shel311
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Any thoughts on Brees having a better passer rating in his playoff losses than Brady does in his playoff wins?
Yeah. Here's my thought: who cares? No one remembers the losers. Julio Jones had one of the most amazing catches you will ever see in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl LI and no one is talking about it. Why? Because his team lost.
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And yet his playoff career numbers are better than Brady, by a wide margin. Go figure, right?
Even if that's true...so what?
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Rodgers gets better in the playoffs, Brady worse.
And yet one QB has 5 rings while the other hasn't sniffed the Super Bowl in almost a decade.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:40 pm to RollTide1987
quote:So you agree with the premise of this thread? That even though one qb can play better, the team can lose
And yet one QB has 5 rings while the other hasn't sniffed the Super Bowl in almost a decade.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:40 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Makes sense, you remember the sample size that favors Brady but don't know what the hell I'm talking about when I talk about Brady being entirely mediocre at best during his 1st 2 playoff SB runs compared to Rodgers who can play great, put up 45 points and lose.
I might have some thoughts if I had any idea what the hell you were talking about.
Again, any reason why you don't know what the hell I'm talking about and block out those small samples that don't jive with what your eye test sees?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:41 pm to shel311
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1. Shouldn't we factor in all of these stats?
2. And in doing so, don't we still come to the conclusion that Brady has clearly played with better defenses than the others?
Sure, but when you figure TOP as well as yds/play allowed, you'll see that Brady and his offense did work to keep their defenses off the field. In fact, Brady's TOP rank was improved, on average, 4.7 spots over his yds/play defensive rank. Manning's TOP rank averaged a -.3 drop over the defensive yds/play ranking.
When we're splitting hairs at this level, those little things matter.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:41 pm to RollTide1987
Patriots defense made 4 stops against Atlanta, one of them being a fumble
Green Bay's defense made one stop
Green Bay's defense made one stop
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:41 pm to shel311
You really can't compare age of first start when you consider one was a first round draft pick while the other went in the sixth round.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:42 pm to slackster
quote:Bradys TOP is worse than brees and Rodgers, and yet his team still gives up less points
Sure, but when you figure TOP as well as yds/play allowed, you'll see that Brady and his offense did work to keep their defenses off the field. In fact, Brady's TOP rank was improved, on average, 4.7 spots over his yds/play defensive rank. Manning's TOP rank averaged a -.3 drop over the defensive yds/play ranking.
I am not sure how you aren't following this
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:42 pm to lsupride87
The Patriots also had two weeks to prepare compared to one for the Packers. That might explain the discrepancy.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:42 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Ok, so everyone remembers Dilfer and no one remembers Marino.
Yeah. Here's my thought: who cares? No one remembers the losers. Julio Jones had one of the most amazing catches you will ever see in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl LI and no one is talking about it. Why? Because his team lost.
And Eli is better than Brees.
You're on a roll today, just deflecting and defaulting to wins.
You are literally that guy that would praise a dude for throwing 4 INTs and winning a SB 13-10 but dog a dude who throws 5 TDs and loses 45-42. You're that dude, you never want to be that dude. Good luck!!!
quote:Then you're clearly wrong, that's what. 1 can't rise to the occasion and the other fall flatt if the "one" is clearly inferior in his production. That's pretty freaking basic stuff there, you really should not be confused by that.
Even if that's true...so what?
quote:And yet you don't think those better defenses as pointed out in the OP may have something to do with that.
And yet one QB has 5 rings while the other hasn't sniffed the Super Bowl in almost a decade.
I just love the idea that you acknowledge Brady plays worse but you actually in your head think that playing worse helps his teams more than the guys who play better. That's just so funny...and sad.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:43 pm to lsupride87
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So you agree with the premise of this thread? That even though one qb can play better, the team can lose
You're doing work man
Such a simple concept that people seem to have trouble grasping for whatever reason.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:43 pm to RollTide1987
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The Patriots also had two weeks to prepare compared to one for the Packers. That might explain the discrepancy.
Or the fact the Patriots had the #1 scoring defense, and the packers had the #21st
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:44 pm to slackster
quote:Did you see the spreadsheet on TOP? This is false, fwiw.
Sure, but when you figure TOP as well as yds/play allowed, you'll see that Brady and his offense did work to keep their defenses off the field
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:44 pm to shel311
But muh 5 rings, baw
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:45 pm to RollTide1987
quote:So penalize Rodgers for being better at an early age?
You really can't compare age of first start when you consider one was a first round draft pick while the other went in the sixth round.
Seems odd.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:45 pm to shel311
Yeh, slackster is struggling in here
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:45 pm to shel311
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Age is the right way to look at that, doesn't seem like 1 year should explain all of that difference, considering Brady's 1st 3 seasons were all fairly similar.
Age is fine, but when you're looking at career averages, the guy who is currently active and has 7+ seasons to go has more room to decrease those averages.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:46 pm to lsupride87
quote:Nah, it's anything but that.
Or the fact the Patriots had the #1 scoring defense, and the packers had the #21st
1 gave up 44 points, that #1 D gave up 21. Nah, not that.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:46 pm to shel311
quote:Fact.
You are literally that guy that would praise a dude for throwing 4 INTs and winning a SB 13-10 but dog a dude who throws 5 TDs and loses 45-42. You're that dude, you never want to be that dude.
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