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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:59 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/8/17 at 9:59 pm to RollTide1987
quote:So 1 game, that's the difference?
Rodgers and Brady took similar beatings against the same Falcons team. One led an improbable comeback for the ages while the other wilted like a flower in winter time. I'll let you decide which is which.
Any thoughts on Rodgers scoring 45 points in a playoff loss vs Brady throwing a total of 3 TDs in his 1st 3 SB playoffs, as in all of the playoff games for 3 seasons with 3 total TD passes? Rodgers likely had 3 or more TDs in that 1 loss where he put up 45 points. Any thoughts on that? Or do you just ignore that and use the single sample sizes that fit your eye test?
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:01 pm
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:01 pm to RollTide1987
quote:One led their team to 21 points on the road, and his defense gave up 44
Rodgers and Brady took similar beatings against the same Falcons team. One led an improbable comeback for the ages while the other wilted like a flower in winter time. I'll let you decide which is which.
One led their team to 28 points at a neutral site, but also threw a pick 6. So a net of 21, but luckily, his defense only gave up 21
Thank you for posting what you did. It gave my entire thread the stamp of approval
ETA: Rodgers had passer rating of 92. Brady 95
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:01 pm to shel311
quote:The funny thing is, the reason Brady won and Rodgers didn't was defense
So 1 game, that's the difference?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:10 pm to lsupride87
I could have saved you a lot of time and just told you that the Pats have a better defense than those other shite teams.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:12 pm to DannyB
Thanks for looking out for me
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:19 pm to lsupride87
quote:
One led their team to 21 points on the road
And all 21 of them were garbage points. The score was 31-0 before Green Bay even got wind of the end zone.
Brady won in spite of his defense. The Falcons' second half collapse had more to do with play calling than with defense (Hightower's 4th quarter forced fumble being the notable exception).
The Falcons went into a protective shell once up 28-3 and the Patriots' defense barely saw the field in the second half due to three very long scoring drives that chewed up a ton of clock. So your "his defense only gave up 21" argument only works when you admit that Brady's clock chewing offense made it possible. The offense can't score when it's on the sideline for most of the half. This speaks once and for all to the greatness that is Tom Brady - the greatest QB to ever play the game.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:20 pm to lsupride87
quote:
ETA 2: Time of possession
I'm not sure where this thread has meandered in the last 12ish pages, but considering this edit, I hope you've discussed how this kind of thing plays into "scoring" defense and what not.
If we're trying to discuss the supporting defenses, I'd prefer we talked about their ranking with respect to average yards per play. That metric is more relevant to the actual quality of the defense as far as I'm concerned.
On average, Brady's defense is very much in line with Peyton's during his career. In fact, the average ranking of the defense that Brady has taken to the Super Bowl was 13th, while Peyton's average ranking in the Super Bowl years was 14th.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:22 pm to shel311
quote:
Any thoughts on Rodgers scoring 45 points in a playoff loss vs Brady throwing a total of 3 TDs in his 1st 3 SB playoffs
Brady didn't start out as the greatest, he developed into it. He doesn't have the natural ability that Rodgers or Manning have/had. Unlike Rodgers, however, Brady has lived up to his potential (maybe even surpassed it). For all the natural talent Rodgers has, he shits the bed more often than not.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:23 pm to slackster
quote:What are you talking about?
On average, Brady's defense is very much in line with Peyton's during his career
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:24 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
Brady won in spite of his defense.
They gave up 22 points.
quote:As evidence by running the ball only 4 times from that point to the rest of the game? They've been criticized like crazy for being too aggressive and you're the one guy saying the complete opposite.
The Falcons went into a protective shell once up 28-3
But anyway, any thoughts in when Rodgers plays great in a playoffs loss compared to Brady entire playoffs with 3 total TD passes? Or again, do you ignore those samples and only go with the small sample sizes when they fit what your eye tests already confirmed?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:24 pm to RollTide1987
quote:This is a flat out lie
For all the natural talent Rodgers has, he shits the bed more often than not.
His passer rating is 6 points higher than brady in the playoffs
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:25 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
Unlike Rodgers, however, Brady has lived up to his potential (maybe even surpassed it). For all the natural talent Rodgers has, he shits the bed more often than not.
This is ridiculously stupid
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:25 pm to shel311
quote:
Any thoughts on Rodgers scoring 45 points in a playoff loss vs Brady throwing a total of 3 TDs in his 1st 3 SB playoffs, as in all of the playoff games for 3 seasons with 3 total TD passes?
Huh? Brady threw for 6 TDs and 1 INT in the first 3 SBs alone, not counting the other playoff games.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:26 pm to slackster
quote:1. Shouldn't we factor in all of these stats?
If we're trying to discuss the supporting defenses, I'd prefer we talked about their ranking with respect to average yards per play. That metric is more relevant to the actual quality of the defense as far as I'm concerned.
2. And in doing so, don't we still come to the conclusion that Brady has clearly played with better defenses than the others?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:26 pm to slackster
quote:Absolutely not. Scoring is far more important than average yards per play
If we're trying to discuss the supporting defenses, I'd prefer we talked about their ranking with respect to average yards per play. That metric is more relevant to the actual quality of the defense as far as I'm concerned.
Give me average points per play, and you are on to something
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:28 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Any thoughts on Brees having a better passer rating in his playoff losses than Brady does in his playoff wins? I ask as you seemed to insinuate Brady "knows how to win" in the playoffs, so I wanted to see how you reconciled that data with what your eye test things it sees?
Brady didn't start out as the greatest, he developed into it. He doesn't have the natural ability that Rodgers or Manning have/had. Unlike Rodgers, however, Brady has lived up to his potential (maybe even surpassed it). For all the natural talent Rodgers has, he shits the bed more often than not.
quote:And yet his playoff career numbers are better than Brady, by a wide margin. Go figure, right?
For all the natural talent Rodgers has, he shits the bed more often than not.
Rodgers gets better in the playoffs, Brady worse. Can you explain that with one shits the bed and the other steps up with your eye test?
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:28 pm to lsupride87
quote:
His passer rating is 6 points higher than brady in the playoffs
I'm still going to play the wait and see game with Rodgers because we're comparing him to guys with 7+ seasons on him. The other 3 were starting earlier in their careers and are 5+ years older than him. Career averages for Rodgers are about as insulated and optimal as you'll find without the extremes that you see in the beginning and end of careers.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:29 pm to slackster
quote:Yep, I was looking at the incorrect column, the INT one lol.
Huh? Brady threw for 6 TDs and 1 INT in the first 3 SBs alone, not counting the other playoff games.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:30 pm to slackster
slackster, I am dumbfounded by you right now
Thinking average yards per play effects wins more than scoring defense?
Average points per play would be the best
However, Brees and Rodgers have a better TOP than Brady, and yet their defenses still give up more points. So Brady would actually be even further ahead in average points per play
Thinking average yards per play effects wins more than scoring defense?
Average points per play would be the best
However, Brees and Rodgers have a better TOP than Brady, and yet their defenses still give up more points. So Brady would actually be even further ahead in average points per play
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 10:31 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
I don't need to look at numbers when I have eyes that can watch these guys play. Having watched all four of them play, Tom Brady is still tGOAT.
You are a bright guy
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