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re: LHSAA: West Monroe busted over player tampering

Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:18 am to
Posted by OU812
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:18 am to
Neville has been moving it's district lines from house to house and street to street to get Carroll players going back to the 70s under Charlie Brown. Oliver Lawerence told me that he lived in Carroll's district but he went to Neville
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21934 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:47 am to
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Kind of off topic but an old friend is a neighbor and friend of JT Curtis. My buddy was messing with him about recruiting and he responded with, "Yeah, maybe a couple of decades ago. We don't have to recruit. They come to us."


Unless you JT calls 3 years "a couple decades ago" he's full of shite. He recruited a friend of mines kid from Raceland a few years ago. I told his dad he was full of shite JTs not recruiting his kid. He pulled out his cell phone and showed me 9 call from JT Curtis.
Posted by Dale Murphy
God's Country
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:01 am to
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reo45


You're so FOS.
I'm not saying WM hasn't had guys talk to players before. But the only people going to believe this 1st hand "hardcore and deliberate" nonsense are WM haters, like Lester Earl and General, i.e. douchbags.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68466 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:31 am to
Carrol just needs to shut down

Terrible school
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:07 am to
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Neville has been moving it's district lines from house to house and street to street to get Carroll players going back to the 70s under Charlie Brown. Oliver Lawerence told me that he lived in Carroll's district but he went to Neville


From loop road to across the street from richwood or Carroll to anywhere there's a good player in Monroe is Nevilles zone
Posted by WM
West Monroe
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:17 am to
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quote: reo45 You're so FOS.


This!
Posted by fillmoregandt
OTM
Member since Nov 2009
14368 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:20 am to
WM buys players: Shocker.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12393 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:38 am to
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Neville has been moving it's district lines from house to house and street to street to get Carroll players going back to the 70s under Charlie Brown. Oliver Lawerence told me that he lived in Carroll's district but he went to Neville


You're right. Neville has current players on their roster from the Parkview projects, which are across the street from Richwood high school. It's not just Neville though.

I went to St. Fred's and I had a guy on my team who transferred from Carroll. I dropped him off after practice one day and he lived about 150 yards away from Carroll. He said many of his buddies in the same street went to WM, Ouachita, and Neville. This was basically next door to Carroll high school.

It's like that all over the hood in Monroe. Carroll is a shite school, but the zoning has been eternally fricked.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 9:41 am
Posted by Dale Murphy
God's Country
Member since Feb 2005
24473 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 12:24 pm to
I mean, this guy expects us to believe that Don Shows just went around telling coaches that he was recruiting their best players. And these coaches didn't have the balls to turn him in because they were friends and competitors. WTF?
Again, I'm not claiming a squeaky clean program. I know of no specific wrong doing that has ever been done, but I'm not so naive to think there is no chance that it has happened.
And no offense to General and Lester but that was just a preemptive strike for when they call me a homer, etc.
I want to hear more of the story, reo45. What kind of car did Shows offer this kid? 3 story house in Darbonne Hills? Was he going to get his dad a job with the city making 6 figures?
I guess Arledge needs to make more friends with the local high school coaches so he could get away with these shenanigans.
Posted by nevilletiger79
Monroe
Member since Jan 2009
17570 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 12:46 pm to
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Neville has been moving it's district lines from house to house and street to street to get Carroll players going back to the 70s under Charlie Brown. Oliver Lawerence told me that he lived in Carroll's district but he went to Neville 


You're right Neville people moved FEDERAL school zones whenever they want
You people are ridiculous. District lines are created by the federal government not local officials
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:52 pm to
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You're so FOS.



I may be FOS, but we all are to a degree, including yourself. That is a fact. So you saying that means nothing.

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I'm not saying WM hasn't had guys talk to players before. But the only people going to believe this 1st hand "hardcore and deliberate" nonsense are WM haters, like Lester Earl and General, i.e. douchbags.



And, I can shred every detail of this encounter back in the summer of 1999 and destroy every notion that West Monroe will not and has not recruited in a single thread. I wish not to do so though. There are multiple names involved (coaches, players, even a principal). How dare you call me FOS on this particular subject when I WAS THERE.

I am tempted to just spill the beans, but names will be brought ought that many here may possibly know from the Monroe/WM area and it would be irresponsible for me to say names over a forum. I said Shows and that is it. Shows isn't here to defend himself, but he doesn't have to. I was there and heard every word out of his mouth when this event happened. It was surreal, and it was real. I was 19 at the time and didn't know rules or what was right and wrong back then. But, it left a lasting impression on me. At that time we all were amazed at what WM had done over the last 3 years. The lure was strong to leave ones school and be apart of it.

You can choose to not believe me, but that in no way changes the fact that what I said was absolutely true.

I will say this, I said a coach contacted the coordinator for the young man I mentioned, but it could have been only one other person of any authority outside a coach, a principal who got involved quickly and lost his cool. Other than that it was a coach. These two staffs went far back.

I'll let you decipher which schools I'm referring to and names. I don't give a rats backside if you believe me as the truth is better than your resorting to name calling.

I use to stay in contact with this said player as we were good friends, but times change and we move on. He should have transferred actually to be honest. It would have been the best experience for him in his life had he done so.

And, it is/was an unwritten rule back in the day that coaches didn't turn each other in. Maybe you didn't play or experience what others have, but coaches are a fraternity and they all try to win in every battle on and off the field.

I still believe Ouachita were chumps for turning in Bastrop back in Katrina. You don't do that. You don't turn men from your fraternity over to the sorry LHSAA.

That is just my two cents and many may disagree. But, they recruit. They all do. Even Bradie James was working out at Ouachita a week before he was at WM.

Times have changed immensely over the years and this topic has come to the forefront finally and is being addressed by the one entity you never wanted involved in the first place--the LHSAA.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:08 pm to
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I mean, this guy expects us to believe that Don Shows just went around telling coaches that he was recruiting their best players. And these coaches didn't have the balls to turn him in because they were friends and competitors. WTF?


It may not have been Shows that contacted this said coach.

But, it had to be a coach or a principal at WM as this unfolded very quickly (a literal day) a principal got involved and was very P.O'ed at Shows and the player that initiated contact. I was there. I was right there listening to this principal lose his shite in the weight room. So, I assume he either contacted the players coordinator/coach or Shows did. If it weren't those two it could only have been a coach that worked up at Shows Gas Station where the meeting happened.

And, no the coaches didn't turn them in. They approached it better than resorting to turning in someone from their brotherhood/coaching fraternity: they approached the young man and asked why he was disgruntled. I was also there and heard every word. The player discussed what bothered him and why he wished to move--which I ENCOURAGED as a friend to do so. I wanted him at WM and so did my relative who helped make it happen. After meeting with his coach/coordinator he became troubled and started second-guessing his move. Shows said very assuredly that moving was not a problem and it could happen.

A week went by and this player hadn't contacted WM and only stayed in touch with his current staff. Later that week he, my brother, another friend, and himself all went to the mall. We then see 4 offensive linemen that we all knew personally as we were all acquaintances--one who had a father that worked with my own-that came and spoke to this player and encouraged him to come to WM. They were weak at one spot on the line going into that year and this guy was the best in the area without question going into that 1999 year. They made it known that the whole group wanted him and that he would be wanted MORE there than he would be at his current school.

And, they were right. They weren't lying at all .. He wasn't appreciated at the school he was at and he knew it. We left and went and talked to his Grandmother as he lived with her over by the college before playing ball up north after graduating.

He received phone calls from a couple of these linemen that were on the team often and from his current coach.

He decided to not leave. I will never know why he didn't. I remember his own running back telling him he should go .. Players on the team afterwards thought he was stupid for not going also.

Listening to you WM fans act like this shite doesn't go on though is childish and asinine. This is just one story. I'm sure there are many more. It does happen and it is a reality that takes place probably across the state. Enough with your head in the sand and just admit it happens.

Posted by WM
West Monroe
Member since Nov 2003
811 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:20 pm to
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Maybe you didn't play or experience what others have, but coaches are a fraternity and they all try to win in every battle on and off the field.


Yep, Reo45. Dale Murphy never played football. Lol And that's not even the dumbest thing you've said in your last few post in this thread.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47664 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:46 pm to
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Times have changed immensely over the years and this topic has come to the forefront finally and is being addressed by the one entity you never wanted involved in the first place--the LHSAA.


I guess so if you're cheating you don't want the LHSAA involved. I have a feeling the average schools in this state, the ones that have legit up and down years, feel differently.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30629 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:53 pm to
Some of y'all also need to learn about mm transfers......
Posted by Dale Murphy
God's Country
Member since Feb 2005
24473 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:03 pm to
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Listening to you WM fans act like this shite doesn't go on though is childish and asinine.


I've said more than once that I don't doubt some things have gone on in the past. So you can stop with that false piece of information.
And whether or not I played football has nothing to do with having enough common sense to know that this "brotherhood" you speak of gets buried pretty quickly if one coach is going around stealing the best kids around.
Here's my take. You were 19. It happened almost 20 years ago. I don't think you're "lying" as much as "misremembering". Or better yet that these other kids, coaches, principals, coordinators?? were embellishing what was going on.
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Even Bradie James was working out at Ouachita a week before he was at WM.
You left out that the part that he was back at Wossman right after football season was over.
I know firsthand how this stuff gets started. There were plenty of stories about Shows recruiting me, given my situation in junior high/freshman years. And while Shows did talk to me once (or maybe more, but unlike you I don't have that sharp of a memory), that was the extent of it. Probably no more than what other coaches would do if they saw a student athlete zoned for their school, yet attending another. I have no doubt some of the players may have called this guy. But I do doubt this tangled web involving administrators, coordinators, and an unbreakable bond amongst the coaching fraternity.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:11 pm to
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Yep, Reo45. Dale Murphy never played football. Lol And that's not even the dumbest thing you've said in your last few post in this thread.



I haven't lied yet. Your insults still haven't negated the truth. So, continue on.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60388 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:35 pm to
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Maybe you didn't play




You really don't know who you're talking to do you? Yeah...he played...He pretty much has won at everything possible in life. Not the guy to pick a fight with on here.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:41 pm to
Now you are communicating in a way that we can actually converse instead of resorting to name calling childish shite.

I do remember this event clearly. I remember Shows saying, "Well, hell we can hook that trailer up to the back of my truck and haul it to one of these trailer parks here in town". It was satire, but he was serious in the fact that he could make it happen if he wanted to leave. He even said he owned a trailer park ...

He then asked him why he wanted to leave his current school. The player told him why and then he said for a ring. Shows then showed him his championship ring and it was glorious to behold. He then went on to tell the player that he would have to earn his spot and blah blah prove himself.

We actually didn't run into him at first when we got to the store. We ran into another coach who was working and asked where Shows was. He said at the field-house. We left and went to the field-house and when we did we saw a few players we knew already and they all took notice of who was in the room. We asked a coach where Shows was and he said he had already left and gone back up to his store. We thought, "Well, hell, we have to go back", but before we left a principal (you probably know who) comes storming out of the back left corner of the old weight room (I assume a hall as I never been in their weight room before that day) and approached the three of us--the player, me, and a family member of mine who was attempting to help this kid get to WM. Yea, I am actually a WM fan you idiot, but I don't wear blinders. We were HELPING him get to WM and not vice versa. The principal lost his shite right there in the weight room. He acted like some alpha dog big wig and told the kid and my relative representing the kid (and also knew the principal) that he (the player) doesn't go to Shows to talk about transferring and that he only comes to him. He made that abundantly clear. What is vague--as you say memory isn't perfect--is that he spoke about the rules and about what it took to be a legitimate transfer. He took control and even tried to intimidate him from wanting him to come. Talked about leaving friends and what not.

We left and went back to the store and that is when our interactions took place. Shows wasn't unruly or ridiculous. He just let it be known that if the kid wanted to move, he could, and although jokingly saying he could help him move to WM, he was serious to the fact he could help make it happen (or someone else indirectly).

He never bashed the sending school; he had nothing but praise for the coach of the young man and the staff.


I just told you the unmitigated and unadulterated truth. No embellishment; no adding; reality as it was and happened.

Later that same day the player received a call from his coach/coordinator and told him that he heard he had met with WM and was thinking about transferring. We later met up at his home and stayed and ate. This coach had a player actually living with him at this time to stay eligible at this school also. Coach and the player fleshed out the problems and spoke openly. After doing so we all spoke for awhile and left.

This behemoth actually started tearing up when we left as he was truly torn. I don't even think he took himself serious or thought the possibility was real that he could actually make the move in the first place. Now that it was a reality and he had to make a decision it wasn't so easy. He sat on it for around a week and then we met the 4 offensive linemen (one who was a cousin by marriage) at the mall. I remember how we asked them how they knew we were up there. They said they went by his house and his grandmother told them we were at the mall. How did they know where he lived? I still don't know how they found out his address till this day.

He made his decision a little while later and told his coach and I assume he told the WM players also, but I do not know that for certain.

He wasted away and didn't win anything at all. The player who ended up playing his position on the line in 1999 and 2000 I ended up becoming friends with as he was hired on temporarily at the Guide Plant before it closed down. We both spoke candidly about that whole thing that went down; he talked about how he knew he wasn't going to be starting his junior year with him there and so on.

I dont mind sharing this stuff because for far too long I hear people jawing about how it happens and some who says it doesn't; or I read about it on forums, but without stories from anyone that actually has seen it or experienced it.

Well, here is a story laid out nice and clean for you. Take it or leave it. Either way I don't care, but it happens probably all to often.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 9:45 pm to
I wasn't trying to pick a fight.

I don't know him from the man and the moon.

I could careless what he has won or lost. What the freak do I care?

My point was clear: these two staffs knew each other very, very well and they respected each other. No way in hell they were turning them in and vice-versa.

I had more respect for everyone involved years later looking back at how it was handled. The coach at the players school went about it the right way. He smoothed the kids thoughts and emotions to a point where he felt comfortable and desire staying. It worked.

If a kid doesn't want to play for you so be it. I wanted the kid at WM. I pushed him harder than anyone. He told me he wasn't going and I told him he would regret it. I know till this day he does.
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