re: LHSAA baseball brackets out: edit post your teams score

Unfortunately high school coaches need to be monitored with pitch counts. Remember when the 5A tourney was three games in two days with no pitch count. That format was awful.

One thing they need to ban from the state tourney is artificial noisemakers. That 5A final was ridiculous.

Lets see your thoughts on the 3 game series. Here are some stats to help you out from the 2018 LHSAA Baseball Playoffs:

92 Series were played across all divisions
29 Series went to the third game
29/92= 32%

Of the 213 Total games played (in three game series)there were 53 run rule games and 12 games that went extra innings

Of the 29 series that went three games, 12 of them were won by teams that lost game one, and 17 were won by the team that won game one

In 17 of the 29 occurrences where it went to game three, the better seed had lost the first game

5 Teams made their respective State Title games that would have been eliminated had the series format not existed... including 2 teams that won their state championship.

Discuss

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LHSAA baseball brackets out: edit post your teams score
Barbe pitcher threw over 200 pitches against WM in 3 games. I can't remember his name but I do recall hearing he had major arm problems after. He pitched game one and game three of the championship series

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I can't say that I have the talent or qualifications to say that is accurate or not....BUT I will say this.

If a coach and a parent is OK with their kid throwing 300 pitches in 3 days....who is the state to tell them not to do it. Now my kid would never do it. It would take all the bellyaching away too.....and if a kid gets hurt it's on the parent and the coach. Pretty simple really.

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Im not saying the mandatory rest times shouldn't stand as written... just that "starting anew batter past 125 is a forfeit" seems dumb to me.

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Because it has to be some number.

My assumption is that well-intentioned people came together, gave their input, and decided that it would be best to have the cutoff point at 125 pitches.

I also assume that MLB and associated organizations have studied the issue pretty thoroughly before posting their guidelines, which actually list 105 as the daily max in-game pitches for a 17-18 year old.

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I'm sure they have studied it, but a broad stroke rule doesn't factor in what each player is capable of. With a good off-day routine, and rest during the summer, an arm can withstand a lot of stress.

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What makes you think that stuff isn’t factored in? Excluding the playing second part, lol

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Because there is no way to quantify what it takes to get someone warm... that can vary from player to player, or day to day depending on weather. No way to know how many pickoffs a kid will attempt or comebackers he will have to wing over to first for the out.

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You know no such thing.

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Pitch counts became prominent in the 1980s, Stats LLC began tracking pitch counts in 1988 and MLB has kept data since 1999. At the same time, the rate of players having Tommy John surgery at the MLB and Minor League level since the first one in 1974, has risen from 12 total between 1974-1988 (.8 per year) to 623 such surgeries from 2000-2014 (41.5 per year). Note that the players at that level in the 2000s+ would have been in youth ball (approximately 8 years old) around when the idea of pitch counts was being implemented.

What changed? Lack of rest due to year around baseball? Lack of proper conditioning? Coddling of arms so as to limit stamina? Lack of mechanics resulting in more stress on the elbow? That's what I know. So when I say that pitch counts aren't the answer... I have a pretty solid argument.

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What changed? Lack of rest due to year around baseball? Lack of proper conditioning? Coddling of arms so as to limit stamina? Lack of mechanics resulting in more stress on the elbow? That's what I know. So when I say that pitch counts aren't the answer... I have a pretty solid argument

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Okay, say you have a kid with perfect mechanics, on perfect rest, who plays the perfect amount of games each year. Would you let him throw 250 pitches in a day?

Why not? Because pitch counts are absolutely the answer to the question of how to protect arms on any given day, and they are also part of a long-term strategy to treat arms correctly.

I’m not discounting the stuff you’re saying, which is important, but don’t tell me pitch counts aren’t useful. Yes, it would be ideal, and hopefully is usually the case, that the pitcher and coaches work together to manage his particular arm regardless of the pitch count rules, but that doesn’t negate the need for a pitch count rule in general.

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Okay, say you have a kid with perfect mechanics, on perfect rest, who plays the perfect amount of games each year. Would you let him throw 250 pitches in a day?

Why not? Because pitch counts are absolutely the answer to the question of how to protect arms on any given day, and they are also part of a long-term strategy to treat arms correctly.

I’m not discounting the stuff you’re saying, which is important, but don’t tell me pitch counts aren’t useful. Yes, it would be ideal, and hopefully is usually the case, that the pitcher and coaches work together to manage his particular arm regardless of the pitch count rules, but that doesn’t negate the need for a pitch count rule in general.

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Who the hell is talking about 250 in a day? That's an absurdity and bastardization of the issue we are discussing. There isn't a player alive that can thrown 250 and still be effective so the game itself would necessitate the removal of the pitcher. Don't throw out absurdities to try to sway this discussion your way.

Again, if a specified rest chart is used, I'm all for it. I'm all for getting away from baseball in the offseason. I'm not for telling a kid who might be playing his final game of baseball ever, that he can't stay in and try to win it, because he has passed some perceived threshold.

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Is winning the most important thing in high school sports? At ND?

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Yessssssssssssssssssss

Any comments about the overall atmosphere/facilities in Sulphur? Should they keep the championship games there, or divide it up between different locations?

FYI Everyone, The official response from LHSAA to STA (If I can get pics to work)