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Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:42 pm to Akit1
Give them a grizzly bear hug!
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:48 pm to flvelo12
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Those who work in the athletic department, including secretaries, administrators and other support staff, might lose their jobs, in some cases, only years or months away from retirement and pensions. These are good, hard-working people no different than you and me, people just trying to make a living.
Think about Beaver Stadium, where the football team plays. Think of all the office staff, maintenance workers and groundskeepers who would no longer be needed. Think of those whose supplement their meager incomes by working as ushers, concession workers, ticket takers, security or parking lot attendants on game day.
Let's go further. Think of all the businesses — from mom-and-pop motels to locally owned diners to office and equipment suppliers to even churches and such that rent out parking lots on game day — that rely on Penn State football for a major chunk of their annual income.
None of these people or businesses had anything to do with what happened at Penn State. Yet they would be punished.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:52 pm to dawgfan24348
No
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:00 am to VerlanderBEAST
Not real familiar with how a team works are you? One persons frick-up can bring the whole team down.
No it wasnt everyone involved in PSU's football program or athletic department job to keep Sandusky inline, but that's how teams, organizations, corporations work. One frick. By one a-hole. Everyone is effected negatively one way or another.
They can walk away with their names cleared and great resumes, they will find other opportunities.
No it wasnt everyone involved in PSU's football program or athletic department job to keep Sandusky inline, but that's how teams, organizations, corporations work. One frick. By one a-hole. Everyone is effected negatively one way or another.
They can walk away with their names cleared and great resumes, they will find other opportunities.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:14 am to Klark Kent
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that's how teams, organizations, corporations work. One frick. By one a-hole. Everyone is effected negatively one way or another.
That is how cowardly and lazy teams, organizations, and corporations work
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:15 am to H-Town Tiger
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Its worse than that. Its pointless. Its letting moral outrage get the better of us. Its punishing innocent people because for some stupid reason, we can't be satisfied to punish the guilty.
As always.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:18 am to Klark Kent
Wow.Let's drive the whole bus off the cliff and die together bc we're a team. 
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:18 am to VerlanderBEAST
lol yes, when Enron and WorldComm came crumbling down the reason the janitor lost his job because of the corporation's laziness and cowardliness. haha
This post was edited on 7/18/12 at 12:19 am
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:20 am to dawgfan24348
I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. The faster Penn St can put this behind them the better.
That will be a very long time regardless of a death penalty.
That will be a very long time regardless of a death penalty.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:25 am to Klark Kent
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None of these people or businesses had anything to do with what happened at Penn State. Yet they would be punished.
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No it wasnt everyone involved in PSU's football program or athletic department job to keep Sandusky inline, but that's how teams, organizations, corporations work. One frick. By one a-hole. Everyone is effected negatively one way or another.
Yeah, I don't agree with the ludicrous DP notion but this is Penn State's Enron...shareholders electing the Board of Directors.
As Penn State's community's elected representatives, and as Penn State is sort of a Corporation (as all major universities have become) the board of trustees has some form of an affirmative duty of due diligence, loyalty and care to the Penn State community. But they let Joe and Co. run the show - afraid to do their duty from most reports.
Yet it is the Board of trustees who hire the University president, who hires the athletic director who hires the coach...and so on...and the Board of Trustees are appointed...
Penn State - Six trustees are appointed by the Governor; nine trustees are elected by the alumni; six are elected by organized agricultural societies within the Commonwealth; and six are elected by the Board of Trustees representing business and industry endeavors.
So...yes, everyone as defacto shareholders to Penn State's success pays in the end, the community as a whole, the former students, businesses and the like...the current players and students are collateral damage unfortunately.
This post was edited on 7/18/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:34 am to fastedLSU
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Wow.Let's drive the whole bus off the cliff and die together bc we're a team.
Not once I'm this thread do i say they should or shouldn't receive the DP, nor did I ever say those working at PSU not involved should be fired.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:36 am to Klark Kent
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In November 2004, four of Penn State's leaders, including then-president Graham Spanier, sat down at Joe Paterno's kitchen table on a Sunday morning. The men asked the iconic coach to retire. Paterno said no, and that was that.
That same month, seven members of Penn State's board of trustees proposed sweeping reforms that would have strengthened the board's oversight power of Spanier and other campus leaders, including Paterno, according to documents obtained this week by "Outside the Lines." The group told the full board, "Decisions scrutinized with the benefit of hindsight need to withstand the test of being informed decisions."
Joel Myers, a longtime trustee, said the Freeh investigators told him that if the good-governance proposal had been adopted by the board back in 2004, "This (crisis) could have been avoided."
The 2004 proposals are eerily prescient considering how the trustees, according to the Freeh report, were left in the dark by Spanier, Baldwin and trustee Steve Garban as the Sandusky criminal investigation escalated in 2011. If the proposals had passed, the trustees say the measures might have made a difference in the way the board had responded to the Sandusky matter.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:36 am to Klark Kent
Seems implied to me.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:39 am to Klark Kent
I don't think they should. I think a post-season ban and reduction of scholarships would be enough considering everyone allegedly in the know is no longer with the program(or probably won't be much longer).
I do think the NCAA should allow all the athletes there a transfer exemption though.
I do think the NCAA should allow all the athletes there a transfer exemption though.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:41 am to fastedLSU
But in my own OPINION man, i don't think anything anything at all will happen. Just on queue they have decided to investigate the situation on their own. The NCAA will say the same, wait for PSU to make a move. PSU will wait on the NCAA to make a move. Months, years go bye, Then the NCAA and the media will sweep the whole thing under the rug as if it never happened.
This post was edited on 7/18/12 at 12:46 am
Posted on 7/18/12 at 12:55 am to Fight4LSU
I dont know about the death penalty, but i feel like the NCAA should at least vacate wins for the same reason they do when players are ineligible.
Joe Pa remained the coach for far too many years past when he started enabling sandusky.
Joe Pa remained the coach for far too many years past when he started enabling sandusky.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 1:03 am to dawgfan24348
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Let's do a vote.
what is the count now by the way?
Posted on 7/18/12 at 1:07 am to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
Read what you wrote that I responded to.
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How does this go on for decades in campus facilities with "no one" finding out unless there is a huge cover up?
Make note of my response, put on your thinking cap, and try again.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 1:08 am to Klark Kent
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No it wasnt everyone involved in PSU's football program or athletic department job to keep Sandusky inline, but that's how teams, organizations, corporations work. One frick. By one a-hole. Everyone is effected negatively one way or another.
Great analysis
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