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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"

Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:26 am to
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:26 am to
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lsu777


Some solid recommendations on how to drive parity.

IMO making the sport more equal would be the best thing for college football and the answer to a lot of the current problems.

Set limits to scholarships, hell set limits to the number of 3,4,5* players you can recruit. Give incentives to players staying in state. Reward academics.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:29 am to
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hell set limits to the number of 3,4,5* players you can recruit


This is one that I can't get on board with because a friendly employee at Rivals can easily tweak a star rating to help certain programs. Star ratings are so subjective that I don't want to see any official rules based on them.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:47 am to
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Sorry, its December which is slow as frick at work most of the time and its raining today so not much real to go look at.


But I did read the “TLDR cliff notes at the bottom of your post”
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:56 am to
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Set limits to scholarships, hell set limits to the number of 3,4,5* players you can recruit. Give incentives to players staying in state. Reward academics.


in other words lets limit the choices of kids because football fans are mad
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:04 am to
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I’ve got to enter grades for my Future Felons of America’and Future Criminals of Arkansas
What grades are the Clinton’s making at this point


Well my students that come from another country are leading the group with 88%. I have 3 kids coming in at 5%. So yeah the Clintons are failing
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:26 am to
Look in a mirror, Kirk.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:32 am to
Also wanted to add:

another thing is academic requirements needs to be the same across the board and they need to be raised especially act score. Prolly to a 22. What you right now with all of these exceptions is a resentment from the student body of athletes and the exceptions they get. This also weeds out alot of the problems you see on the behavioral side with the sexual assaults. In most of these sexual assault cases you see the borderline fringe academic kid committing them. Doesn't all have to happen at once, slowly raise it and make it more about academics.

Also have a set number of juco players a school can take and set number of grad transfers.

Another thing is these kids need to stop being treated like gods, how do you stop that......well ncaa needs to bring absolute hammer down on an academic scandals. I'm talking death penalty for a repeat offenders, let's say 3 times in a 10 year period type thing. But a North Carolina scandal type thing should draw 33% reduction in scholarships for 2 years type thing and immediate ban from post season along with stiff financial penalties. The schools have to be schools first and foremost.


Also another thing the work study thing does is it shuts the dumbass media up with their uniformed mantra of fair share bullshite. They don't realize a true football scholarship is worth 100 grand plus per year in total benefits between tuition, room and board, food, personalized services, medical care, dental care, books, stipend, swag, etc plus all the fringe benefits. It would be black and white right in there face.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:36 am to
It’s the sports culture that the media created.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:38 am to
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ESPN is one of the main culprits, pushing the playoff or bust narrative and corporate culture on college football.



This is so stupid.

This is has airways been the focus as long as I’ve been watching CFB, and especially since the bcs was implemented to try & quantify the 2 best teams.

This isn’t an espn narrative.

This is exactly what CFB is & has been for a while. 1 loss can be heartbreaking when only 2 teams get in. It has always been boom or bust like that. Don’t pretend like espn created it. This is what teams create. That is what they play for, and it has always been that dire.

What you are seeing now is the business side of it, where kids are finally realizing their worth. It’s playoffs or money now. Because it is rather worthless to risk your future to play in a weed eater bowl in Lubbock Texas on a Thursday night
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 10:39 am to
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in other words lets limit the choices of kids because football fans are mad


Nope its about the good of the sport. I dont think you should limit based off rankings as those are very subjective even now a days, but scholarship limits should absolutely be reduced.

And its not limiting any choices, players can still go to their school of choice, would just have to be a true academic scholarship or as a walk on.
Posted by BornCritic
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:12 am to
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This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 7:19 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:14 am to
That sounds socialist asf
Posted by T
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:28 am to
Either expand the playoff to 32 teams and get rid of the bowl system completely or go back to the pre-CFP days with howls with conference tie-ins. The Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Fiesta all used to be huge games, but now unless they are apart of the CFP nobody cares. Hell, all ESPN talks about is teams’ chances of making the CFB.

4 teams is not enough for a true playoff. Imagine if college basketball did that. You’d basically have Duke, Kansas and Kentucky in it every year with everybody else hoping to voted in that one spot. Just like Bama, Clemson, & Ohio State.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:28 am to
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That sounds socialist asf




I'm as right wing and free market as anyone on the planet and would be considered libertarian on a political scale.

But since you are so smart please tell me one socialist thing I said.

1) a free to join institution like the ncaa has zero fricks to do with a political system. Pretty sure freedom to join the ncaa would not be considered socialist. Its a free market solution of schools grouping to gather to produce a product.

2) how the hell is treating athletics as a intern work study program anything but a free market solution? You are treating the athletes like they provide a service and in return you provide services and money. Although I think taxation is theft bottom line is in the current political system those services have a cost value associated with them and you must pay taxes on those items.

3) if parity is good for the growth of the sport(think NFL with slary cap and draft rules and how its grown) and the good of the sport allows the schools to maximize their free market worth and they CHOSE to follow these rules....then how on earth is it socialist?

Are the current scholarship limitations socialist? Bottom line is parity is good for the growth of the sport. Growth of the sport maximizes the revenue brought in.

Only part of the equation that is in any way socialist is that the revenue brought in by football and basketball is spent on non revenue sports.


Nothing is stopping a kid from not going to college and going CFL or XFL or getting a bunch of players together and starting their own league.

These players remind me of the employees of Spotify who demand Rogan be taken down. frick them employees and frick the players for demanding that the institutions bend to their demands. There are other companies for the Spotify employees to go to and they are free to do so or start their own.

Same with the players, don't like the rules, go somewhere else or start your own.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:56 am to
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2) how the hell is treating athletics as a intern work study program anything but a free market solution? You are treating the athletes like they provide a service and in return you provide services and money. Although I think taxation is theft bottom line is in the current political system those services have a cost value associated with them and you must pay taxes on those items.


Nebraska used to do this with their Walk on program.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 11:59 am to
The system as it is now is completely socialist, you are just wanting to add more rules to it. Title IX, revenue sharing, and the redistribution of money throughout programs that don't make money, are all socialist behaviors. You are just wanting to add more to it. Idc who doesn't like CFB because their team is shitty. I like cfb because it is awesome and has been since I fell in love with it. If Bama were crappy I wouldn't want any rules to change so that they would be better, hell I have watched the basketball team be a disappointment for years and still go into every season with blind hope. Trying to hinder one school's abilities and innovations and creativities is terrible. Don't hold us back because everyone else can't keep up, encourage them to step up.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:01 pm to
I agree with this. The playoff needs to be expanded and conference champions should get auto bids. The discussion about "who is in?" should be the at large bids.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:37 pm to
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The system as it is now is completely socialist, you are just wanting to add more rules to it. Title IX, revenue sharing, and the redistribution of money throughout programs that don't make money, are all socialist behaviors. You are just wanting to add more to it. Idc who doesn't like CFB because their team is shitty. I like cfb because it is awesome and has been since I fell in love with it. If Bama were crappy I wouldn't want any rules to change so that they would be better, hell I have watched the basketball team be a disappointment for years and still go into every season with blind hope. Trying to hinder one school's abilities and innovations and creativities is terrible. Don't hold us back because everyone else can't keep up, encourage them to step up.



You really don't understand socialism do you?

The only thing that is socialism is title ix.

I didn't mention revenue sharing.

Didn't mention anything about forcing teams into the ncaa

Didnt mention anything about restricting wealth or redistribution. In fact I mentioned the opposite.

Not trying to hinder any school and I'm an lsu fan, outside of bama we have the most NCs since start of business Era, so I sure as frick ain't using reasoning like my team sucks.

Like it or not, to maximize revenue and profit, parity is king. To do that you need the rules I said. If you like college football, you want it to stick around in a fashion similar to level its played at now. If they don't do many of the things I mentioned, in 10 years it will not resemble anything remotely close.

And you mean step up how? More money? Im trying to help maximize everyone's money. Less cost so its more profit?? Yep solving that too. Players opting out and transferring all over???? Yep that is solved with my proposal.

Imagine a bama fan though liking the current scope. It has benefited you more than anyone else at the sacrifice of the game as a whole. LSU has benefited greatly too but I'm self aware enough to understand the game as whole is more important than one teams success.
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
Mobile,AL
Member since Dec 2012
5301 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:38 pm to
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Cut down the regular season and expand the playoffs to 16.


This! I don't need all the bullshite paid for little sisters of poor vs. SEC team. Do a 8-9 game conference only schedule . I would then do a 32 team playoff similar to March Madness with the 1st rounds on campus. Would be amazing as you could have 50+ teams with a chance to make the playoffs going into the last week of play. Excitement would be off the charts and every single game would matter and be huge. You could have the bowls host the round of 16 on. Would mean losing some bowls but that might be good thing.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:10 pm to
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You really don't understand socialism do you?

The only thing that is socialism is title ix.


even that is not socialism

Socialism is an economic system where the state controls the means of production, it is NOT a synonym for sharing. You are not a communist just because you don't charge your kids rent and treat them "as each according to his abilities to each according to his needs"
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 1:14 pm
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