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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
I was in a vocal minority that said we shouldn't try to make college football into another NFL with playoffs and title emphasis. We suffered no small amount of insults for this.
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Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:28 pm to Comic_Tiger
I’m in the small not super vocal minority that says we shouldn’t require kids to go to college to play professionally, that they should have the option of getting paid in minor leagues (or the NFL if they’re good enough), and that college athletes should always be, and remain, amateur student athletes who are paid in free housing, food, tuition, and healthcare. I also believe that there should be incentives, somehow, for athletes who go to college, and get to the NFL, to graduate from college before doing so, but that’s just me.
The reality is that the market is rewarding players who opt out, and those players probably never would have been playing college ball in the first place if the NFL didn’t force them to.
I feel the same way about 1 and dones in college basketball. College baseball gets it right because 18 year-olds have a minor league to play in.
The reality is that the market is rewarding players who opt out, and those players probably never would have been playing college ball in the first place if the NFL didn’t force them to.
I feel the same way about 1 and dones in college basketball. College baseball gets it right because 18 year-olds have a minor league to play in.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:33 pm to hiltacular
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hell set limits to the number of 3,4,5* players you can recruit
That’s retarded. So we’re going to prevent a player from choosing a certain school because some Rivals analyst thinks he’s a certain caliber of player? There’s no logical way to do that considering rankings are totally subjective and if you did, you’re basically inviting widespread fraud to circumvent a stupid rule like that.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:53 pm to kingbob
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I’m in the small not super vocal minority that says we shouldn’t require kids to go to college to play professionally, that they should have the option of getting paid in minor leagues (or the NFL if they’re good enough), and that college athletes should always be, and remain, amateur student athletes who are paid in free housing, food, tuition, and healthcare. I also believe that there should be incentives, somehow, for athletes who go to college, and get to the NFL, to graduate from college before doing so, but that’s just me.
Why would the NFL create its own farm system when college football does it for them, free of charge?
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:15 pm to RollTide1987
They don’t have to. There seems to be multiple different attempts to create a farm league like the XFL.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:44 pm to RLDSC FAN
Yep
Glad I’ve gotten my joy out of my team.
I was In my prime when LSU was in their prime.. last 20 yrs basiclLy.
Glad I’ve gotten my joy out of my team.
I was In my prime when LSU was in their prime.. last 20 yrs basiclLy.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 3:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
Way late on the thread, but I just wanted to chime in.
If CFB got rid of the polls and any kind of attempt at crowning an NC, it would lose some national appeal.
But the product would be so much better. CFB isn’t supposed to be a big business with fancy millionaire coaches and celebrity superstars on the field. It’s a school sport. Pageantry, traditions, and education. Rivalries. Legends. Stories.
Go back to the mythical champion determined by dweebs with pencils and only have bowl games. The sport would be better for it.
If CFB got rid of the polls and any kind of attempt at crowning an NC, it would lose some national appeal.
But the product would be so much better. CFB isn’t supposed to be a big business with fancy millionaire coaches and celebrity superstars on the field. It’s a school sport. Pageantry, traditions, and education. Rivalries. Legends. Stories.
Go back to the mythical champion determined by dweebs with pencils and only have bowl games. The sport would be better for it.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 3:22 pm to kingbob
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I’m in the small not super vocal minority that says we shouldn’t require kids to go to college to play professionally, that they should have the option of getting paid in minor leagues (or the NFL if they’re good enough),
Ummmmmmm they do have that option, they can go play cfl. Or they can start their own league. Nobody is required to go to college to play professionally and you said " we shouldn't require". Who is "we" and since when is it a rule for someone to have to have attended college to be in the nfl????
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that college athletes should always be, and remain, amateur student athletes who are paid in free housing, food, tuition, and healthcare. I also believe that there should be incentives, somehow, for athletes who go to college, and get to the NFL, to graduate from college before doing so, but that’s just me.
Thats why football and basketball players need to be setup as interns in work study programs.
As far as incentives....there are, you get a degree. NFL would have to give those incentives and a college education does not help their product sell so that have no incentive to give anything extra for that.
But if you required a minimum of 3 years in the internship work study program at a school with penalties for leaving earlier, you would incentivize players to stay atkeast 3 years.
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I feel the same way about 1 and dones in college basketball. College baseball gets it right because 18 year-olds have a minor league to play in.
Well thats the professional league for those sports requirements. Again treat basketball players as interns on a work study and have penalties for leaving before year 3. Simple contract like I laid out 2 pages back.
And baseball will prolly cut the lower minor leagues soon and more players will go to college.
But in the end, that is an nfl thing, not college thing.
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The reality is that the market is rewarding players who opt out, and those players probably never would have been playing college ball in the first place if the NFL didn’t force them to.
Again wtf you talking about. Please show me where in the nfl rulebook a player is forced to play college ball to be eligible to play in the nfl. Its not a rule and nobody is forced.
They choose to do so because its the best avenue and pays the best. Pay is only in cash but also in swag, housing, medical, training, education etc.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 5:57 pm to RLDSC FAN
He's not wrong but he is fighting a losing battle. The minute that paying players became a legitimized idea NCAA FB passed through death's door. The best part of the game– the part that makes college football people love the game– was put on deathwatch. It's coming.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 7:46 am to sms151t
quote:None of this had anything to do with players quitting. Its agents, bad parents, groupies, media and fans
The playoffs absolutely had a bearing on people opting out before bowl games. As did the Jaylon Smith and Lattimore injuries. I’d say the Jaylon Smith injury was the catalyst of the reaction.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 7:54 am to RLDSC FAN
Was he crying when he said all of this?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 8:16 am to RLDSC FAN
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"What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Look in the mirror.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:12 am to VerlanderBEAST
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The playoffs absolutely had a bearing on people opting out before bowl games. As did the Jaylon Smith and Lattimore injuries. I’d say the Jaylon Smith injury was the catalyst of the reaction.
None of this had anything to do with players quitting. Its agents, bad parents, groupies, media and fans
The Jaylon Smith injury most certainly did have a bearing in players not playing in bowls
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:17 am to H-Town Tiger
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The Jaylon Smith injury most certainly did have a bearing in players not playing in bowls
It did, but largely as a result of
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agents, bad parents, groupies, media and fans
Latching on to it.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:34 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
sure, do you think these players live in a vacuum?
Also how is it "bad parents". Someone like Leonard Fournette was banged up his Jr year anyway was drafted #4
Also how is it "bad parents". Someone like Leonard Fournette was banged up his Jr year anyway was drafted #4
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:53 am to H-Town Tiger
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Also how is it "bad parents".
Well not in Leonard’s case for sure. He was a slam dunk high pick.
But I do think there are parents that don’t see big picture and think about what the kid wants or needs. Who was that Mom that had a meltdown when her kid committed to LSU?
You nailed it the other day about the culture change. Years ago media, parents, groupies just didn’t think in these terms but that has shifted. And I’ll even give the parents the benefit of the doubt but it grinds my gears when the media thinks they know better what a kid should do. They focus on Jaylen Smith and not Devin White.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:53 am to RLDSC FAN
I absolutely miss pre-BCS college football. I thought I was one of the few on that.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:57 am to StringedInstruments
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Go back to the mythical champion determined by dweebs with pencils and only have bowl games. The sport would be better for it.
It's still mythical. You have to be invited and often you don't have to win any division or Conference to be invited to this subjective criteria-less Invitational.
At least in the past we didn't pretend it was a real objective win on the field playoff like the NFL and not just subjective votes.
Only fans of teams who win this made up title act like its not mythical.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:36 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's still mythical. You have to be invited and often you don't have to win any division or Conference to be invited to this subjective criteria-less Invitational.
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Only fans of teams who win this made up title act like its not mythical.
So by this pretty much all titles are "mythical"
Especially in college. I mean even the basketball and baseball tournaments have to invite teams based on subjective criteria. What makes it not "mythical"? having a larger field? Personally i've always thought the 4 team playoff should be conference champions or an independent ranked in the top, which pretty much means they will have to be unbeaten. But for the most part its hard to argue with the teams that have won it being the National Champion
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