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re: Jokic should have won MVP this year.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:11 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:11 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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A world where Jokic averages a triple double and makes it to first in the west with no superstar
Are we still calling James Harden a superstar. He is a very good player still. Don't get me wrong, but he is not superstar level anymore. In fact, I would wager that the Nuggets supporting cast is probably equal to the 76ers supporting cast.
Also, saying the Nuggets made it to first in the west doesn't mean a whole lot, when the 6ers won 1 more game then them.
Jokic would have been a very deserving MVP. Giannis would have been a deserving winner as well and I would have no issues with him. But Joel was just as deserving for his season this year, imo.
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:15 pm to QJenk
Harden led the league in assists and literally hit walk off bucket to win the game for the 76ers a few days ago. He’s not as scoring dominant but he’s still a superstar
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:43 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:44 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
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And he’s making it to the western conference finals, so the voters were wrong. Thanks for proving my point.
lol
Posted on 5/12/23 at 1:44 pm to bamameister
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And it's not a white man problem dude. It's just a popularity contest. Just like all other big-time MVP/Heisman winners.
Just let them be victims, damnit.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 2:20 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Media was starting to act weird after he won the second one, if a white man was to win three straight it would have been a full blown melt down.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 2:29 pm to tee3
Y’all are so weird with this shite.
The media adores Jokic!
The media adores Jokic!
Posted on 5/12/23 at 2:30 pm to QJenk
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Joel averaged 33 a game. He didn't average as many assist, but the extra points Joel scores basically balances out with Jokic extra passes.
Let’s say each assist is worth 2 points, even though it’s more than that.
Embiid: 33.1 ppg + 4.2 apg = 39.5 points per game produced
Jokic: 24.5 ppg + 9.8 apg = 44.1 points per game produced
In reality, each assist is worth somewhere between 2-3 points, so I’m pretty comfortable saying jokic produced 5 more points per game than embiid. And I don’t agree at all that “basically balances”
Jokic also played more games, has better rebounding numbers, and most importantly in the discussion of most valuable player, completely dominates the advanced metrics.
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The 76ers actually won 1 more game than the Nuggets this year.
My mistake. It was still done with a better supporting cast.
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Neither team has had playoff success. The Nuggets were bounced out of the first round in 5 games last year. The year before they were swept.
They also didn’t have their 2nd best player either year.
And they’ve at least been to a conference finals. Which is extremely relevant to the argument that jokic “hasn’t sniffed the finals” while advocating for someone that’s had even less success team wise in the playoffs. Nevermind the fact that jokic was supported by Will Barton, Aaron Gordon, and monte Morris in the playoffs last year.
It’s also still very much relevant that jokic continues to produce at a very high level in the playoffs while embiid does not, relative to their regular season performances.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 3:03 pm to Black n Gold
quote:thank you gif
If you are a stat fanatic, Jokic is your MVP.
If you base it off of importance to team, Jokic is your MVP as well.
If you base it off of skill or they eye test, Jokic is your MVP to.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 3:06 pm to Black n Gold
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If you are a stat fanatic, Jokic is your MVP. If you base it off of importance to team, Jokic is your MVP as well. If you base it off of skill or they eye test, Jokic is your MVP to.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 3:30 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:So like they've always done, not just to the white player. THAT is the point.
So instead they gave it to a guy with worse numbers, on a team with a worse record despite better supporting cast, that has had even less playoff success as an individual and a team than jokic? Yea, makes perfect sense.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 3:31 pm to Open Your Eyes
If they wanted mvp to be a math equation, they would make it a math equation. Jokic is definitely the playoff mvp so far tho
Posted on 5/12/23 at 5:14 pm to shel311
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So like they've always done
When did a player with worse stats on a worse team with less previous playoff success win mvp over a player that has him beat on all the above?
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not just to the white player. THAT is the point.
No, THAT is not the point.
The point is the other poster said jokic’s lack of playoff success was the reason voters didn’t pick him this year, then did pick someone with even less playoff success.
But you left that part out for some reason. Why is that?
Posted on 5/12/23 at 5:18 pm to Corinthians420
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If they wanted mvp to be a math equation, they would make it a math equation
I’m sorry that numbers scare you. The “math equation” in that post is simply debunking the notion that embiid’s extra points “basically balance” jokic’s extra assists.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 5:41 pm to Bench McElroy
Eminem isn't even a top 5 white rapper.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 6:09 pm to Bout_Dat_Lyfe
quote:So you’re somehow excusing this MVP for things unrelated to deserving based on performance on the court. Worst yet, when you look across all the advanced metrics, you’re excusing one of the worst MVP seasons in at least 30 years, and it wasn’t because everybody else was comparably poor. There were AT LEAST players significantly better and more deserving, LeBron and Dwight Howard.
Lebron didn’t get his third in a row because he did the retarded PR decision to have a big production to leave Cleveland and join Miami with wade and bosh. Y’all are leaving a very important piece of the story out.
And this year, across the metrics, Jokic is ahead in a handful of them, and Embiid was ahead in the rest. And on the aggregate, they were quite close. Maybe Jokic should have won (I probably would rate him #1, but Embiid a close second), but if so, the difference, is not significantly greater than a number of other MVP seasons, but it’s significantly smaller than the one you’re excusing.
And since people seem to think it’s because Jokic is white, then you would have to conveniently ignore Steve Nash’s 2nd MVP which was even more egregious than Rose’s by far, with probably 5-6 players who were better and more deserving, all of them were black.
Or is it because Nash is Canadian, and Canadian is sometimes used as a code for black people, that you somehow ignored the race when it’s the complete opposite of your argument, and a far more egregious example than this season?
Posted on 5/12/23 at 9:30 pm to buckeye_vol
Th bigger story is that it five years in a row that an international player has won the MVP award.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:30 pm to tee3
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if a white man was to win three straight it would have been a full blown melt down.
A white man HAS won 3 straight.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 11:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Some of these dudes are retarded 
Posted on 5/13/23 at 12:42 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:And although not the same one, it went Nash, Nash, Dirk in 3 consecutive seasons, and Dirk was 3rd in the 2 seasons Nash won, and Nash was 2nd when Dirk won. And LeBron should have won during Nash’s 2nd, although Dirk wasn’t too far behind. Nash was borderline top 5.
A white man HAS won 3 straight.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 12:46 am
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