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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:27 pm to Cash
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It basically ruined McQueary's life also. Lost his job/career, basically went into hiding. I think his wife may have left him also(might be off on this point).
That's what happens when you catch a guy raping a kid and leave to go call your daddy I suppose.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:27 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I mean Mike McQueary must REALLY hate Sandusky for something to make that up
That's an interesting story, and it's where Ziegler starts. He reconstructs the timeline based on several claims McQueary made about the night in question.
What's revealing about the actual dates of these two events (which were quietly "gotten wrong" by the prosecution) is that they're six weeks apart, and that the date of McQueary's visit indicates it was precipitated by interest in a job opening.
So there was no urgency about anything Sandusky related on McQueary's part. As a whole, his actions seem like those of someone who'd noticed something ill-advised going on at his workplace that nevertheless fell far short of anything criminal.
I don't remember all of the details, but the supposed victim in the shower incident, Allan Myers, had a long and enduring relationship with Sandusky. I think he invited Sandusky to his Marine Corp basic training graduation and his wedding.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:28 pm to Porpus
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I'm just offended at what was done to Sandusky.
Imagine typing these words and hitting “Submit” so other people could read it.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:31 pm to cattus
Paterno has admitted in depositions with PSU's insurers that he knew what Sandusky was doing beginning in the early 1990s and knowingly did NOTHING to stop it from happening.
Just like the Mike Leach situation at Texas Tech, the truth is readily available in public records, not sure why there is a question about what Paterno knew. Knowing and turning a blind eye to child abuse for decades is worse in my opinion.
Just like the Mike Leach situation at Texas Tech, the truth is readily available in public records, not sure why there is a question about what Paterno knew. Knowing and turning a blind eye to child abuse for decades is worse in my opinion.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:31 pm to Porpus
The other much less creepy but strange part about your conspiracy theory is this was to get rid of Paterno when they were coming off 3 top 10 finishes in 5 years when the grand jury investigation started if I remember right
Seems like you could plant a few stories about recruits getting paid and not stain your university forever with a brutal child rape and cover up story if that was the goal
But I’ve given you too much thought already
Seems like you could plant a few stories about recruits getting paid and not stain your university forever with a brutal child rape and cover up story if that was the goal
But I’ve given you too much thought already
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:36 pm to Sevendust912
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Sandusky is guilty for sure but Paterno got railroaded. One of the best coaches of all time and actually achieved Success with Honor.
This is correct. Paterno went directly to the administration when he was told about it, and was under the impression they were handing it. Sandusky was no longer working for him, Tom Bradley was the DC.
Not to mention, at that point of his career Paterno was more of a figurehead (like Bowden at FSU, both were hanging on to get the career record for victories). At his age I don’t know that he would have fully comprehended what Sandusky was doing. My father was the same age and generation as Paterno, and I know he wouldn’t have understood the depravity.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:38 pm to cubsfan5150
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Wasn’t there someone on here that said Sandusky was actually innocent?
Not necessarily. However, the “Mike McQueary told Paterno he saw Sandusky raping a kid in the showers” was a carefully crafted lie by the PA Office of Attorney General. Here’s a summary of the official record:
- At the time, Sandusky had been retired for two years. He was the head of the 2nd Mile, the largest provider of foster and mentoring services for at risk youth in central PA. The Office of AG had ultimate accountability for the 2nd Mile. 2nd Mile was where Sandusky was matched with his victims.
- McQueary saw Sandusky in the shower with a youth
- McQueary went home, and talked it over with his dad and a Dr.Dranov. A local pediatrician whom McQueary’s dad was the office manager
- Dranov is a mandatory reporter, he testified under oath at the Sandusky trial that what McQueary told him did not rise to a reportable event as McQueary did not describe anything sexual to him. He was not charged with failure to report. Why wasn’t he charged with failure to report if an assault happened?
- they suggested that McQueary tell Paterno. This is consistent with seeing something creepy and uncomfortable but not reportable. If McQueary described an assault, logic would hold that Dranov would say they need to report it, not tell Paterno first!
-McQueary admitted he didn’t give Paterno any explicit details
- Paterno followed what is now current NCAA guidelines and bumped the report to the AD as well as the VP of Operations for the University (PSU police chief is a direct report). Paterno had no authority over Sandusky since he was retired. Paterno got out of the way which is what he was supposed to do.
- The PSU AD and VP of OPs talked with McQueary and concluded nothing illegal happened
- PSU AD spoke with the Operations Head of the 2nd Mile and said Sandusky can not bring 2nd Mile clients on campus anymore.
- Sandusky was found not guilty of the sexual assault charges for this victim at trial
- Emails were released between McQueary and the OAG where the OAG admitted they made up the anal rape in the grand jury presentment which set the university on fire.
- after the arrests, a Jeff Snedden conducted an investigation on behalf of the NSA and CIA into PSU President Graham Spanier as Spanier was the SME for those agencies for foreign nationals working on university research projects across the country. He concluded there was no cover up as no crime was committed. Louis Freeh refused to talk with him during the Freeh investigation
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:38 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The other much less creepy but strange part about your conspiracy theory is this was to get rid of Paterno when they were coming off 3 top 10 finishes in 5 years when the grand jury investigation started if I remember right
You may be right about that part. Sandusky's innocence doesn't really depend on it.
I do think they were in that situation schools get in with old timers where grandpa doesn't want to retire and nobody really knows how to handle it... but that's a hell of a way to solve the problem.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:40 pm to BradBallard
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-McQueary admitted he didn’t give Paterno any explicit details
And John Ziegler has shown that McQueary waited six weeks before talking to Paterno about it, not a few days.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:43 pm to Porpus
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I do think they were in that situation schools get in with old timers where grandpa doesn't want to retire and nobody really knows how to handle it... but that's a hell of a way to solve the problem.
As I mentioned above, this is exactly what happened. Paterno and Bowden were duking it out for the NCAA record. The administration was looking for an excuse. Joe was trying to hand more authority to his son Jay, who most felt was a terrible coach.
Ironically, if they left Paterno alone, he probably was dead within a year anyway (I think the scandal probably accelerated things a bit).
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:45 pm to Free888
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Paterno went directly to the administration when he was told about it, and was under the impression they were handing it.
Paterno knew for decades what Sandusky was doing. Paterno admitted it in depositions. There is a special place in hell for him.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:46 pm to GoIrish02
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Paterno knew for decades what Sandusky was doing.
According to who?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:46 pm to Gordon Hayward
Paterno knew and allowed a Homosexual Child Molester to rape kids. Sick sick people.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:47 pm to Free888
Paterno admitted he knew in multiple depositions with Penn State's insurers in lawsuits brought by claimants.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:47 pm to GoIrish02
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Paterno has admitted in depositions with PSU's insurers that he knew what Sandusky was doing beginning in the early 1990s and knowingly did NOTHING to stop it from happening. Just like the Mike Leach situation at Texas Tech, the truth is readily available in public records, not sure why there is a question about what Paterno knew. Knowing and turning a blind eye to child abuse for decades is worse in my opinion.
You’re 100% dead wrong and completely made this up to prove a point. In reality, it makes you look like a fool.
1. Everything dropped early Nov 2011.
2. Paterno was dead on January 22, 2012 from a very aggressive cancer. Considering Sandusky’s trial wasn’t until June 2012, there’s about a .1% chance that lawsuits were far enough along to take depositions.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:53 pm to red sox fan 13
Paternos son railroaded Sandusky to protect his father. Sandusky was deemed guilty before people even knew who the victims were. There is alot wrong with the prosecution of Sandusky. If you are really wanting to know the truth, the evidence is out there. PS I'm not a Penn state fan but I did look at those who did the research in his defense.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:54 pm to Free888
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As I mentioned above, this is exactly what happened. Paterno and Bowden were duking it out for the NCAA record. The administration was looking for an excuse. Joe was trying to hand more authority to his son Jay, who most felt was a terrible coach. Ironically, if they left Paterno alone, he probably was dead within a year anyway (I think the scandal probably accelerated things a bit).
My college roommate’s MIL was in the hospital when Paterno was admitted two days after he was fired. She’s friends with his wife. She told her Paterno had cancer and it was terminal. He was dead within two months.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:56 pm to BradBallard
2011 was the first time the public knew but not the first time abuse occured.
In 2014, Paterno's words in a deposition from a 1998 suit were unsealed which confirmed the incident, and that he knew of abuse as far back as 1976!!! Penn State paid 30 victims $93 MILLION !!!
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Paterno ignored the 14 year old kid who came to him in person. The victim was identified only as John Doe 150(!).
In 2014, Paterno's words in a deposition from a 1998 suit were unsealed which confirmed the incident, and that he knew of abuse as far back as 1976!!! Penn State paid 30 victims $93 MILLION !!!
LINK
Paterno ignored the 14 year old kid who came to him in person. The victim was identified only as John Doe 150(!).
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:56 pm to BradBallard
So you were one of the rioters eh?
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