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re: Jay Bilas calls out the NCAA's hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:13 am to ballscaster
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:13 am to ballscaster
quote:How is it ironic?
Ironically, you keep repeating this same phrase
If you repeat your same phrases, my answer isn't going to change.
I really don't even care if you repeat yourself, just make the point relevant to the topic, they have not been at all thus far.
Saying player signed agreement, he can leave agreement any time he wants isn't remotely relevant to anything I've said.
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moneyg is right; you are wrong
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to moneyg
quote:No
That is exactly what you are arguing
quote:Wash/rinse/repeat, irrelevan the 18th time you said it...
Nobody, including the NCAA is saying that JFF couldn't give up playing in the NCAA and decide that he is going to make money on his status
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to shel311
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You do realize that the NCAA is well on its way to being irrelevant as well, right? Why is that?
...because of mismanagement.
Why do you think the NCAA is under fire?
The ability of universities to decide to create/join an institution that determines the playing field for college athletics is not in question by many. Some, just think the NCAA does a very poor job at it.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to EarthwormJim
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How do players get paid without creating a huge disparity in college football? How do you stop the exploitation of the rules that will almost assuredly come when you allow players to be paid?
I would argue that allowing players to get paid above the table would reduce the huge disparity that currently exists.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to ballscaster
This may not be an apples to apples argument, but does the pending "Unpaid-Intern Lawsuit" stand to have any effect on college athletics?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to moneyg
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AND, who cares?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:15 am to shel311
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It just is.
This pretty much sums up the depth of your arguments.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:17 am to moneyg
quote:Rules made that pertained to an ecosystem 50 years ago that don't apply to the reality of today's college athlete.
Why do you think the NCAA is under fire?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:18 am to moneyg
quote:Riiiiight, if that makes you feel better, you can also throw in your go to line that has been your ONLY argument this entire thread.
This pretty much sums up the depth of your arguments
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:19 am to Sophandros
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I would argue that allowing players to get paid above the table would reduce the huge disparity that currently exists.
Your argument is worthless, even if correct. Obviously, the parties involved in the agreement get to decide what is in their best interest. The NCAA sees problems. I tend to agree with them. Nevertheless, to think that NCAA wouldn't have the right to determine the rules of eligibility within the NCAA is crazy.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:22 am to moneyg
quote:play along with the hypothetical...
Your argument is worthless, even if correct. Obviously, the parties involved in the agreement get to decide what is in their best interest. The NCAA sees problems. I tend to agree with them. Nevertheless, to think that NCAA wouldn't have the right to determine the rules of eligibility within the NCAA is crazy.
Then ncaa loses its current court case pending, then what? Wouldn't you be wrong?
Hell, the fact that a judge decided it should go to court already shows you're wrong in saying it "crazy", when they judge who knows more than all of us isn't even sure.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:23 am to SabiDojo
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I agree with this, ETA: but, in football, there is a belief that a young athlete needs college to hone in technique and let their bodies mature.
Thank you. There is no intelligent reason for that belief.
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My point is that, if you make them go to college, the university doesn't have to pay them, but they shouldn't punish the young man for signing contracts for endorsements.
2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because the NFL has a nonsensical rule doesn't mean we need to turn college sports in to professional sports.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:25 am to shel311
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Rules made that pertained to an ecosystem 50 years ago that don't apply to the reality of today's college athlete.
Ridiculous.
Selective enforcement of rules, ineffectiveness in auditing and investigating the member institutions are what is killing the NCAA.
You could agree to pay players tomorrow, and the NCAA would still be the same train wreck that it is today. Whatever the rules are, some institutions are going to decide to break those rules. To maintain order, someone has to police the member institutions.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:28 am to shel311
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Riiiiight, if that makes you feel better, you can also throw in your go to line that has been your ONLY argument this entire thread.
You are all over the place.
Why don't you succinctly present your argument. You call things irrelevant that clearly aren't irrelevant (just because it is), and say that you aren't arguing the enforcement of rules (when you clearly are).
So, why don't you explicitly state your opinion. Perhaps you just haven't been clear enough for me to understand what your point is.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:28 am to Suck Out West
I'm not reading this whole thread.
1) if the solution is to go to another country to get paid then USA has some issues to resolve. That should never be the solution to any question. Capitalism
2) NCAA is just greedy. It's not about the student atheletes. Don't fall for this line of reasoning.
3) NCAA is a monopoly.
4) creating a system outside of the NCAA should be the answer. Pay kids what they are owed or let them profit off of themselves. If kids start going to semi pro organizations instead of college then you will see that the NCAA will fail eventually. Also all the other media outlets will lose out as well. Great news!!! Everybody wins and the little guy gets paid off of all it.
1) if the solution is to go to another country to get paid then USA has some issues to resolve. That should never be the solution to any question. Capitalism
2) NCAA is just greedy. It's not about the student atheletes. Don't fall for this line of reasoning.
3) NCAA is a monopoly.
4) creating a system outside of the NCAA should be the answer. Pay kids what they are owed or let them profit off of themselves. If kids start going to semi pro organizations instead of college then you will see that the NCAA will fail eventually. Also all the other media outlets will lose out as well. Great news!!! Everybody wins and the little guy gets paid off of all it.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:29 am to moneyg
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Ridiculous. Selective enforcement of rules, ineffectiveness in auditing and investigating the member institutions are what is killing the NCAA. You could agree to pay players tomorrow, and the NCAA would still be the same train wreck that it is today. Whatever the rules are, some institutions are going to decide to break those rules. To maintain order, someone has to police the member institutions.
Just so we're clear, when I make a subjective argument, you call it out as being subjective.
But you get to make all the subjective arguments your unbleeding heart desires?
I wanna make sure I'm following the rules correctly here.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:30 am to shel311
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Then ncaa loses its current court case pending, then what? Wouldn't you be wrong?
Not at all. Why are you conflating the rights to using one's likeness with the right to enforce eligibility during an agreement between two parties?
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Hell, the fact that a judge decided it should go to court already shows you're wrong in saying it "crazy", when they judge who knows more than all of us isn't even sure.
If the NCAA has no rights to using a player's likeness, that doesn't mean that the player can automatically decide to sell his likeness without losing NCAA eligibility.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:31 am to moneyg
quote:no
and say that you aren't arguing the enforcement of rules (when you clearly are).
quote:I have, multiple, explicitly. You've missed it each time, so what's the point?
Why don't you succinctly present your argument.
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So, why don't you explicitly state your opinion. Perhaps you just haven't been clear enough for me to understand what your point is.
Or perhaps it's your fault you missed it, not mine.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:33 am to shel311
quote:
But you get to make all the subjective arguments your unbleeding heart desires?
Do you understand what a bleeding heart is? I'm saying that your opinion is based on your feelings...rather than a logical interpretation of what is going on.
A subjective opinion on why things are good or bad is fine. But, using a subjective opinion as proof to draw a conclusion is a flawed approach.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:35 am to shel311
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I have, multiple, explicitly. You've missed it each time, so what's the point?
perhaps it's your fault you missed it, not mine
I'm questioning whether you can. You say you have...I haven't seen it.
Why don't you succinctly present it again. I'll pay attention this time. Or link to it being succinctly and clearly being presented.
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