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re: Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:11 am to TH03
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:11 am to TH03
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Are you dense?
No, I am simply looking at the outcomes of the two games. LSU won the first game by three in OT in a very evenly matched game. When they had the opportunity to play again, Alabama was completely dominant.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:11 am to TH03
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If you're creating a game to determine the 2 best teams, 1 of those 2 can't be there if they already lost to the other.
This is just some shite that you made up, and want to be true. Rematches happen all the time, in every single sport.
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It's already been demonstrated on the field that the loser of that first game isn't the best team in the country. It's simple process of elimination.
so what was demonstrated on the field on 1/9/2012????
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:12 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Penn State went 22-0 over two years and didn't win a National Championship.
Paterno had five undefeated teams and one MNC between them, he did get a MNC for his one-loss 1982 team. Saban is guaranteed a spot in the playoff every time his team has one loss
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:13 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Tell me, which win is more impressive? Winning by three in OT, or winning by 21 and preventing the other team's offense from crossing the 50 more than a couple of times?
obviously 21-0 is a more dominating performance
yet, that same LSU team still beat you at home earlier
the series was 1-1
neither game "proved" anything other than both teams were capable of beating the other
this is pretty simple stuff to understand
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:14 am to Funky Tide 8
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This is just some shite that you made up, and want to be true. Rematches happen all the time, in every single sport.
It's happened exactly once in the BCS/CFP era. So no, it doesn't happen all the time. Other sports are irrelevant to this discussion.
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so what was demonstrated on the field on 1/9/2012????
The losing team was able to correct their mistakes and avenge a loss, making the series 1-1.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:14 am to Funky Tide 8
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This is just some shite that you made up, and want to be true. Rematches happen all the time, in every single sport.
Only happened one time in the BCS system, and it was immediately blown up.
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so what was demonstrated on the field on 1/9/2012????
bullshite that resulted in the system being blown up.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:16 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Irrelevant. LSU had the better record, was the conference champ and played a far tougher schedule. LSU is the 2011 MNC in a world without the Saban/Bama media machine. If Bama can claim a split MNC in 1978 with USC after losing to USC at home 24-14, LSU can do that. Auburn also thought about claiming the 2004 and 1983 MNC's, but chose not to sink to Bama's level. I say frick that, Bama shows that shamelessness pays off
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:19 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:17 am to LNCHBOX
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resulted in the system being blown up.
They keep conveniently ignoring this.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:22 am to Mithridates6
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Osborne had three undefeated championship seasons in four years, his overall record is pretty similar to Saban, granted the former coached at Nebraska his entire career
Haha Osborne is overrated as frick. They played nobody. He won less than 35% of his games vs top 10 teams in final poll and only 45% vs teams ranked top 10 at game time.
Bowden was 38-44 vs top ten teams and that includes all the years he was building his program. In the years after he built the program where they finished top 5 for 14 straight years, he was much much better.
Osborne took over a program built by others. Bowden built from the ground up and was not scared to go play big teams on the road. Whenever and wherever was the motto.
Osborne feasted on an overrated big 8 which saw OU down significantly during his best year and a big 12 with a rebuilding Texas and OU a dumpster fire. Osborne also cheated his arse off ushering in the steroid program and using partial qualifiers when nobody else could.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:22 am to Mithridates6
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Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
You have to be both lucky and good to win a championship most years. So any championship coach will have some years where he catches some breaks. The key is being good enough to be in position for those breaks to put you over the top.
The bigger question is how good a coach would Saban have been if he had to coach a team with no talent advantage. He is the best recruiter in history, no question. Recruiting is at least 90% of college coaching. And he was historically great at it, rendering the other 10% essentially meaningless in most games.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:23 am to TH03
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The losing team was able to correct their mistakes and avenge a loss, making the series 1-1.
This is quite the display of mental gymnastics here.
LSU was outgained 679-331 and outscored 27-9 over the course of 8 quarters and overtime. Not in your wildest dreams was LSU a better football team that season. Just like South Carolina isn't a better football team than Georgia this season, and just like Florida state wasn't a better team than Florida in '96 when they squeaked out a win in the regular season and then got their asses spanked in the championship game.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:26 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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When they had the opportunity to play again, Alabama was completely dominant.
Like Bama alum Reece Davis always says when they need to give Bama a break for losing their most important games in the regular season:
"Give Nick Saban enough chances, he will eventually beat you. That's what makes him so great"
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:27 am to Mithridates6
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LSU is the 2011 MNC in a world without the Saban/Bama media machine.
If LSU was the superior team, they would've just beaten Alabama again- even if in a close game. They got blown out. I can count on 1 hand the amount of times i've seen a "better team" get blown out over the last 20 years. Ohio State vs Purdue and Oklahoma vs Kansas State are really the only two that come to mind tbh. LSU had a month to get ready for that game and got their clocks cleaned from the opening possession until the clock ran out. It's the most suffocating win in the history of the BCS era. 92 fricking yards of offense. Shutout. The number 1, undefeated SEC champions shutout
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:29 am to lsu777
Osborne allowed partial qualifiers, but remember he lost a bunch of games to the the biggest cheaters of all time, OU, and Switzer's thugs. He dismantled the previously undefeated Gators who were in the middle of dominating the SEC in 1996.
Agree that Bowden should probably be ahead of him though, I can't imagine how many titles he would have had if a playoff had been around. Bowden was not without fault either, he allowed players that no one else would take and got Tallahassee PD to reduce their felonies to misdemeanors.
Agree that Bowden should probably be ahead of him though, I can't imagine how many titles he would have had if a playoff had been around. Bowden was not without fault either, he allowed players that no one else would take and got Tallahassee PD to reduce their felonies to misdemeanors.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:31 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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If LSU was the superior team, they would've just beaten Alabama again
If Bama was the superior team, they wouldn't have lost at home the first time. We could do this all day, which is what you seem to not get.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:32 am to lsu777
Btw
Carroll, Saban, Bowden, Paterno, Spurrier, Meyer all have legit claims to be best coach since 80. Saban has to be number one though just due to overall volume of big wins even if he isn't the best against equal or greater talent.
Bowden has to be #2 also due to shear volume of the body of work. Paterno has to be #3.
Carroll and Spurrier though essentially match Bowden and Saban for any 19 year run when you compare everything across the board and leave out the NCs because of the difference in systems. Spurrier in the 90s was crazy good and the record reflected that, same with Carroll in the 2000s.
And to the stupid fricks above, both bama and LSU fans, arguing over 2011, quit derailing the thread.
If you take the system that was previously used for the majority of cfb, LSU wins NC and is the better team historically. But under the rules as they were bama was better. As an LSU fan, I can admit bama was the better overall team. As a bama fan you should admit you got lucky and got a rematch. Under the old system and under the BCS those were extremely rare. Bama was a better overall team...but they would have been left out before the playoffs prolly 9/10 times. shite Bowden and Carroll got screwed tons of times for losing to a team not quite as good as them. Spurrier also.
If the playoffs were around, Spurrier has 2 more NCs atleast, Bowden has 2-3 more, Carroll has 2 more. If the playoffs where around for history of CFB.....well it looks totally different.
Stop being such prideful douchebags, you can't have a legit conversation about things. Hate people like that.
Carroll, Saban, Bowden, Paterno, Spurrier, Meyer all have legit claims to be best coach since 80. Saban has to be number one though just due to overall volume of big wins even if he isn't the best against equal or greater talent.
Bowden has to be #2 also due to shear volume of the body of work. Paterno has to be #3.
Carroll and Spurrier though essentially match Bowden and Saban for any 19 year run when you compare everything across the board and leave out the NCs because of the difference in systems. Spurrier in the 90s was crazy good and the record reflected that, same with Carroll in the 2000s.
And to the stupid fricks above, both bama and LSU fans, arguing over 2011, quit derailing the thread.
If you take the system that was previously used for the majority of cfb, LSU wins NC and is the better team historically. But under the rules as they were bama was better. As an LSU fan, I can admit bama was the better overall team. As a bama fan you should admit you got lucky and got a rematch. Under the old system and under the BCS those were extremely rare. Bama was a better overall team...but they would have been left out before the playoffs prolly 9/10 times. shite Bowden and Carroll got screwed tons of times for losing to a team not quite as good as them. Spurrier also.
If the playoffs were around, Spurrier has 2 more NCs atleast, Bowden has 2-3 more, Carroll has 2 more. If the playoffs where around for history of CFB.....well it looks totally different.
Stop being such prideful douchebags, you can't have a legit conversation about things. Hate people like that.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:33 am to Mithridates6
Yes.
Every time Bama slips up and loses a game, refs in other conferences have swayed games in order to get Bama back into the national title picture.
LINK .
DATE: November 18, 2011
GAME: Oklahoma State at Iowa State
DESC: All LSU fans remember this one. The night LSU was robbed of the greatest season in CFB history. Quinn Sharp's kick was clearly good.
LINK
DATE: November 17, 2012
GAME: Stanford at Oregon
DESC: Zach Ertz TD ruled incomplete on the field gets reviewed. Replay shows no conclusive evidence of TD. Call gets overturned. Game goes to OT, where Oregon loses. Bama jumps back into the top 2.
LINK
DATE: December 2, 2017
GAME: Ohio State vs. Wisconsin (Big 10 Championship)
DESC: On this play, 2 Wisconsin WRs get absolutely mauled by 2 Ohio State DBs. Somehow, no flag gets thrown. Wisconsin's loss allows Bama, who got blown out in their final regular season game and missed the SECCG, back into the top 4.
Don't forget other lucky breaks as well, like Colt McCoy getting hurt in 2009, Ohio State going undefeated in 2012 but being on probation, and winning the 2012 SECCG thanks to Conley catching a pass inbounds in the final seconds.
Every time Bama slips up and loses a game, refs in other conferences have swayed games in order to get Bama back into the national title picture.
LINK .
DATE: November 18, 2011
GAME: Oklahoma State at Iowa State
DESC: All LSU fans remember this one. The night LSU was robbed of the greatest season in CFB history. Quinn Sharp's kick was clearly good.
LINK
DATE: November 17, 2012
GAME: Stanford at Oregon
DESC: Zach Ertz TD ruled incomplete on the field gets reviewed. Replay shows no conclusive evidence of TD. Call gets overturned. Game goes to OT, where Oregon loses. Bama jumps back into the top 2.
LINK
DATE: December 2, 2017
GAME: Ohio State vs. Wisconsin (Big 10 Championship)
DESC: On this play, 2 Wisconsin WRs get absolutely mauled by 2 Ohio State DBs. Somehow, no flag gets thrown. Wisconsin's loss allows Bama, who got blown out in their final regular season game and missed the SECCG, back into the top 4.
Don't forget other lucky breaks as well, like Colt McCoy getting hurt in 2009, Ohio State going undefeated in 2012 but being on probation, and winning the 2012 SECCG thanks to Conley catching a pass inbounds in the final seconds.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:35 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Not in your wildest dreams was LSU a better football team that season.
So wait
Why are we giving do-over games and SECCG bye weeks to divisional runner-ups who lose to vastly inferior teams at home?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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If LSU was the superior team,
If Bama was better, they would have beaten LSU at home and not needed a second chance.
The hubris of the Bama fan base is unmatched.
We get it, you are owed opportunities other programs could never dream of getting. When you get those opportunities, you have taken advantage of them. Instead of being humble, you act like the entitled folks you are.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:36 am to Riseupfromtherubble
UF dominated FSU in their rematch in the 1997 Sugar Bowl, very hard to beat the same team twice, but that's beside the point: LSU is more deserving. 13-1, better schedule and conference title vs 12-1 and a mulligan win. At least in 1996 Florida got its mulligan due to contractual obligation of ASU to play in the Rose Bowl, forcing FSU into the rematch
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