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Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:58 am to TH03
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B. Pointing out that you got lucky isn't bitching and whining.
uh huh.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:58 am to 14&Counting
Who cares? It took massive luck and a fricked up system. The point is that Saban has gotten the benefit of the doubt more than anyone in recent memory. Probably anyone since Bear Bryant tbh
Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:58 am to Funky Tide 8
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Okay sure, but that isn't what occurred in this thread.
Did I say it would happen only in this thread? My fricking god, losing to LSU has broken you.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:00 am to Funky Tide 8
If the entire system wasn't drastically overhauled as a direct result of that game, you would have a point I guess.
Everyone knew it was bullshite, that's why the playoff was created.
Everyone knew it was bullshite, that's why the playoff was created.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:00 am to Funky Tide 8
Overall saban is the greatest coach ever, no question, but as stated before he has had lots of luck where he got the benefit because he is at bama, but he also has had some of the best players of all time have all time games against him keep him out.
Also, him going to the NFL cost him. Not sure if he wins in 05 at LSU but LSU goes undefeated in 06 and 07 with him there.
Now...Paterno and Bowden are grossly underrated, along with Spurrier. Bowden would prolly have 3 more NCs of they had playoffs back in the 90s.
But the coach most hurt by there not being a playoff is Pete Carrol. Carrol is the best big game coach ever and would have won 4 ncs in the 2000s if there was a playoff system, maybe more.
If you look at records of the great coaches of all time in games vs teams with equal or greater talent, nobody comes close to Pete. Take out Pete's first season where he had to rebuild the program, he proceeded to go 15-3 against teams with and .75 winning percentage or greater. Then 27-4 vs teams with .5-.75 winning percentage.
Saban has been good against teams ranked higher going 30-24 and 15-4 at Alabama. Particularly against LSU he has been 2-2 when LSU is ranked higher. Carroll also had a much better bowl record in the bcs era.
Craziest stat.....if there was the current format in the 80s and 90s, FSU under Bowden would have made the playoffs more than likely...14 years in a row. That is fricking mind blowing.
Also, him going to the NFL cost him. Not sure if he wins in 05 at LSU but LSU goes undefeated in 06 and 07 with him there.
Now...Paterno and Bowden are grossly underrated, along with Spurrier. Bowden would prolly have 3 more NCs of they had playoffs back in the 90s.
But the coach most hurt by there not being a playoff is Pete Carrol. Carrol is the best big game coach ever and would have won 4 ncs in the 2000s if there was a playoff system, maybe more.
If you look at records of the great coaches of all time in games vs teams with equal or greater talent, nobody comes close to Pete. Take out Pete's first season where he had to rebuild the program, he proceeded to go 15-3 against teams with and .75 winning percentage or greater. Then 27-4 vs teams with .5-.75 winning percentage.
Saban has been good against teams ranked higher going 30-24 and 15-4 at Alabama. Particularly against LSU he has been 2-2 when LSU is ranked higher. Carroll also had a much better bowl record in the bcs era.
Craziest stat.....if there was the current format in the 80s and 90s, FSU under Bowden would have made the playoffs more than likely...14 years in a row. That is fricking mind blowing.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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it was 1-1 for the series that year
that game didn't "prove" anything
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:03 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:04 am to LNCHBOX
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You didn't need to beat us twice to prove you were the best, how on earth does that logic make sense to you?
fricking gumps
The same logic applies to LSU then. You said the question of was the best had already been answered in the regular game. Yet, LSU lost the BCSNCG. So, how did LSU prove they were the best if LSU also did not win both games?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:05 am to lsu777
And Pete wasn't scared to play teams OOC too.
Auburn
K State
Virginia Tech
Arkansas
Nebraska
Virginia
Ohio State
All were home and home.
Auburn
K State
Virginia Tech
Arkansas
Nebraska
Virginia
Ohio State
All were home and home.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:05 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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it was 1-1 for the series that year
that game didn't "prove" anything
Explain your logic for how it proves anything. No one disputes that it is the game that won the trophy. But if your team is obviously better, how did you lose at home?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:06 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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The same logic applies to LSU then. You said the question of was the best had already been answered in the regular game. Yet, LSU lost the BCSNCG. So, how did LSU prove they were the best if LSU also did not win both games?
There are no words
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:06 am to LNCHBOX
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Did I say it would happen only in this thread?
No, you said this:
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Well they don't have much to cling to from this year, so 2011 is likely to be a hot topic in the coming weeks.
why would you make this comment when OP started the topic, and OP is an LSU fan? This isn't hard to understand.
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My fricking god, losing to LSU has broken you.
yet, here you and others are, crying about 2011 again
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:06 am to lsu777
Osborne had three undefeated championship seasons in four years, his overall record is pretty similar to Saban, granted the former coached at Nebraska his entire career
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:06 am to Salmon
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Salmon
I mean, sure LSU won by 3 points in overtime the first time.
LSU also only crossed the 50-yd line once or twice in entire BCSNCG.
Tell me, which win is more impressive? Winning by three in OT, or winning by 21 and preventing the other team's offense from crossing the 50 more than a couple of times?
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:06 am to Funky Tide 8
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crying
There you go again
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:08 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Tell me, which win is more impressive?
the win on the road that wasn't a rematch was more impressive than the neutral site do over.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:09 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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You said the question of was the best had already been answered in the regular game. Yet, LSU lost the BCSNCG. So, how did LSU prove they were the best if LSU also did not win both games?
Are you dense?
Because the second game shouldn't have been played.
If you're creating a game to determine the 2 best teams, 1 of those 2 can't be there if they already lost to the other.
It's already been demonstrated on the field that the loser of that first game isn't the best team in the country. It's simple process of elimination.
The same logic used in 2006 was completely thrown out the window in 2011. What if we get a rematch in 2006? We never know that Florida is actually light-years better than both OSU and Michigan.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:09 am to LNCHBOX
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There you go again
There YOU go again
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:10 am to Funky Tide 8
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There YOU go again
Two gumps now trying to engage in a never ending circular argument.
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