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re: Is Nick Saban the luckiest coach ever?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:38 am to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:38 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Why are we giving do-over games and SECCG bye weeks to divisional runner-ups who lose to vastly inferior teams at home?
Bama fans are like the SJWs of college football: they lack any self awareness and are ALWAYS looking for a short cut to the end game. The media is always happy to oblige them too.
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:41 am to lsu777
I'd go with:
1 Paterno
2 Bowden
3 McKay
4 Devaney
5 Osborne
6 Saban
7 Carroll
8 Royal
9 Bryant
1 Paterno
2 Bowden
3 McKay
4 Devaney
5 Osborne
6 Saban
7 Carroll
8 Royal
9 Bryant
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:43 am to Mithridates6
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Osborne allowed partial qualifiers, but remember he lost a bunch of games to the the biggest cheaters of all time, OU, and Switzer's thugs. He dismantled the previously undefeated Gators who were in the middle of dominating the SEC in 1996.
Agree that Bowden should probably be ahead of him though, I can't imagine how many titles he would have had if a playoff had been around. Bowden was not without fault either, he allowed players that no one else would take and got Tallahassee PD to reduce their felonies to misdemeanors.
I don't care about players getting arrested...and charges reduced and player staying on the team.
Saban is the best at that....and guess what he is right. He was right when he asked if you would rather them be cast off into the night. From a society standpoint those kids being on any of those teams, being in school etc is a net gain.
Now Osborne was dead wrong on Lawrence as he was a danger to the campus.
And OU was not cheating anymore than Nebraska was. And his overall record against top 10 teams not named OU was shite. And yea peak Nebraska dismantled UF....so what? SEC was pretty damn shitty during the 90s.
Osborne is way down the list. He was handed a dominating program and made it better...yes, but his record against teams with equal or greater talent speaks for itself. He pushed the rules and never really got caught and I try not to hold it against him too much, but overall I judge coaches on their ability to build, maintain a program and then wins vs teams with equal or greater talent.
Bowden is much much better in all of those aspects. Paterno too.
All ahead of osborne
Saban
Bryant
Meyer
Spurrier
Switzer
Stoops
Carroll
Paterno
Might be others also. Mack brown, tressel and Jimmy Johnson would be up there with him too.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:54 am to lsu777
Switzer got OU severe sanctions, nearly SMU level. He was forced to resign as the program went down in flames.
Bryant should always be at the bottom b/c he was cheatin' on an unprecedented scale in a time with no regulation and got the benefit of the doubt almost as much as Saban does. Saban being a virtual lock for the playoff or BCS with one loss is an unprecedented advantage that no other all time coach had.
Shouldn't Devaney be up there? He really built the Nebraska machine that Osborne maintained and elevated, also he gave dirty old Bahr a much-deserved thumpin to win his 2nd natty LINK
Bryant should always be at the bottom b/c he was cheatin' on an unprecedented scale in a time with no regulation and got the benefit of the doubt almost as much as Saban does. Saban being a virtual lock for the playoff or BCS with one loss is an unprecedented advantage that no other all time coach had.
Shouldn't Devaney be up there? He really built the Nebraska machine that Osborne maintained and elevated, also he gave dirty old Bahr a much-deserved thumpin to win his 2nd natty LINK
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:55 am to Mithridates6
Based on what. Paterno barely has a winning record vs top 25, way below 500 vs top 10, only 13 too 5 finishes vs Bobby's 14 in a row?
Vs top 10 teams is were Carroll, Saban, and Bryant seperate themselves. Saban has done it at two different schools, he has to be number 1 on any list by a mile. Every single metric shows that. If you wanna say you would take Carroll Ina single big game....sure you prolly should especially if later in the year. Take saban early.
But saban and Bryant have to be on top of any list when you start talking record vs top 25, vs top 10, conference championships, NCs etc.
Y'all are all nuts and emotional about this. Look at the data.
Here is a link that compares saban to the best all time. LINK
Vs top 10 teams is were Carroll, Saban, and Bryant seperate themselves. Saban has done it at two different schools, he has to be number 1 on any list by a mile. Every single metric shows that. If you wanna say you would take Carroll Ina single big game....sure you prolly should especially if later in the year. Take saban early.
But saban and Bryant have to be on top of any list when you start talking record vs top 25, vs top 10, conference championships, NCs etc.
Y'all are all nuts and emotional about this. Look at the data.
Here is a link that compares saban to the best all time. LINK
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:59 am to Mithridates6
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Bryant
Look up his record vs top 25 and top 10.
Everyone was cheating like crazy in the 70 and 80s quit being dense. Compare on the field results. But fine take Switzer out. Bryant didn't really break rules, there really were not any. That's not cheating.
Again quit being an emotional poster and look at the data, saban and Bryant have to be #1/#2 on any list based on overall accomplishments, record vs top 25 teams, vs top 10 and bowls games aka teams with equal or greater talent.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:00 am to Mithridates6
You can pick apart every national champion and consider them lucky. Saban puts his teams in the best potion to take advantage of that luck.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:14 am to lsu777
FTR Bryant was: 2-1 vs Devaney, 0-2 vs Parseghian, 0-2 vs Royal, 4-0 vs Paterno, 1-1 vs McKay, 1-1 vs Robinson (yet there was a split tile when Robinson won in Birmingham in 1978, go figure)
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:25 am to Trauma14
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You can pick apart every national champion and consider them lucky. Saban puts his teams in the best potion to take advantage of that luck.
No other coach has had the advantage of being more or less guaranteed a shot at an MNC with one loss
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:29 am to Mithridates6
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No other coach has had the advantage of being more or less guaranteed a shot at an MNC with one loss
To totally ignore the other extenuating, and unique factors in each of those seasons is ignorant and dumb.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:31 am to Funky Tide 8
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To totally ignore the other extenuating, and unique factors in each of those seasons is ignorant and dumb.
You were going to get another shot this year with an absolutely garbage resume, but your crap team couldn't even get to took advantage.
The only extenuating circumstance is that you're a media darling. Enjoy it, because when Saban is done, you will be too.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:35 am to Mithridates6
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No other coach has had the advantage of being more or less guaranteed a shot at an MNC with one loss
LSU has never missed the playoffs with one loss either.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:41 am to LNCHBOX
No one loss Sec team has ever been left out the playoff. LSU by all account is in with a loss. the “only bama gets in with a loss” stuff is BS.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:44 am to LNCHBOX
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The only extenuating circumstance is that you're a media darling. Enjoy it, because when Saban is done, you will be too.
Don't be so sure, Bama got a split MNC in 1978 with USC despite losing to the Trojans 24-14 in Birmingham and split MNC in 1973 with ND after losing to the Irish in the Sugar Bowl. I thought ND and USC were the media darlings??
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:44 am to Boomshockalocka
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No one loss Sec team has ever been left out the playoff. LSU by all account is in with a loss. the “only bama gets in with a loss” stuff is BS.
Show me the other SEC non division winner that has played for the championship. I'll wait.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:47 am to LNCHBOX
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Show me the other SEC non division winner that has played for the championship. I'll wait.
They know everything is rigged in their favor.
This is also part of the reason former successful coaches there have gotten bricks through windows. When you have it all rigged in your favor, you SHOULD win more than others do.
Eventually, everything becomes your RIGHT.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:49 am to Boomshockalocka
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No one loss Sec team has ever been left out the playoff. LSU by all account is in with a loss. the “only bama gets in with a loss” stuff is BS.
I didn't specifically mention the playoff. In 2011-12, 2014-15 and 17-18 Bama had a shot at the MNC with one loss. Historically, that's unprecedented. Bowden had like six FSU teams with one loss that won their bowl games and didn't win a MNC
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:49 am to LNCHBOX
I sure hope our tigers don’t lose Saturday but reluctantly I’ll be back to bump this thread if they do. Bama doesn’t get special treatment for being bama. They get it because they are in the SEC. AND It is well deserved.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:50 am to Boomshockalocka
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Bama doesn’t get special treatment for being bama.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:50 am to LNCHBOX
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You were going to get another shot this year with an absolutely garbage resume,
What does this even mean? So you are really saying that there is something wrong with lobbying for your team to have a shot at the playoffs? If a coach didn't do that for his team, then there would be something wrong with that coach.
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but your crap team couldn't even get to took advantage.
The only extenuating circumstance is that you're a media darling. Enjoy it, because when Saban is done, you will be too.
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LNCHBOX
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