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re: Is Matt Ryan a Hall of Fame quarterback?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You trying to act Ryan and Brees are looked at the same is ridiculous.
Literally the only time I have ever heard this is Falcons/Panthers fans on this board, and trust me I live far outside the Saints home turf bubble
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:03 pm to ClientNumber9
Matt Ryan is absolutely NOT a Hall of Famer.
This discussion seems to come up all the time. Putting up above average stats is not a hall of fame career.
It's not the Hall of Pretty Good, it's the Hall of Fame.
Besides, passing stats these days are inflated as hell and not comparable at all to historic ones.
Teams throw the ball a shite otn more now, rules promote and protect the QB a lot more now.
Comparing his stats to past Hall of Fame QB's is pointless.
This discussion seems to come up all the time. Putting up above average stats is not a hall of fame career.
It's not the Hall of Pretty Good, it's the Hall of Fame.
Besides, passing stats these days are inflated as hell and not comparable at all to historic ones.
Teams throw the ball a shite otn more now, rules promote and protect the QB a lot more now.
Comparing his stats to past Hall of Fame QB's is pointless.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:04 pm to EmperorGout
Not a chance. He has had one great season season, but his playoff record is atrocious and he has not been the elite of his generation. If people say he is a HOFer then we may as well just change the criteria for getting in to be that you were a 10 year starter. Stats due to longevity should not be a factor, but rather if you are elite in the big moments which Ryan has never been.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:04 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Matt Ryan didn’t give up those points in that comeback and no football fans have clung to that game like Saints fans. That was arguably the biggest win in your franchise’s history. Without that, you would have nothing on the Falcons.
Doesn't matter, he didn't score any more points. I'm not saying it's going to be a definite stopping point from getting in, but it is going to be remembered for him. Btw the game is not forgotten among NFL fans because it is biggest comeback in SB by far.
Also the Saints still have a SB the last time I checked. So not the biggest win.
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And Brees is looked at more favorably on here than pretty much every other sports board. He’s considered one of the best of his generation but safely outside of the top 10 in all time quarterbacks. Most of the respect he was getting is from fantasy football football fans from 08-15 for putting up those garbage time numbers.
Of course he's looked at more favorably on here. But he has still been regarded as one of best for many seasons in his career by the media. And he's considered much closer to the top 10 (plenty do have him in the top 10) than Ryan is.
Again not seeing where you're getting that Ryan is seeing on equal footing as Brees. Ryan is probably seen as closer to Rivers (he does have a better shot than Rivers) than he is Brees.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:07 pm to 1BamaRTR
That encompasses the ‘83 class and was the earliest days of franchises truly building their team around quarterbacks. Prior to that most front offices didn’t put quarterbacks on that separate level - hell most of them considered RBs as important if not more important than QBs given how play calling was done.
And just to throw this out there, Matt Ryan is currently tied for 27th all time in Approximate Value with Marshall Faulk and Warren Moon. Every player ahead of his is either already in the Hall or is a no doubter (Rodgers, Peppers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Brees, Brady, and Manning).
In fact, when it comes to single season AV, Ryan’s best season (21 in 2016) is higher than Brees career best (20 in 2011) and is only surpassed by Manning’s 2004, Brady’s 2011, Mahomes 2018, Rodgers 2011, and Brady 2007 by Quarterbacks in the last 15 seasons.
And just to throw this out there, Matt Ryan is currently tied for 27th all time in Approximate Value with Marshall Faulk and Warren Moon. Every player ahead of his is either already in the Hall or is a no doubter (Rodgers, Peppers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Brees, Brady, and Manning).
In fact, when it comes to single season AV, Ryan’s best season (21 in 2016) is higher than Brees career best (20 in 2011) and is only surpassed by Manning’s 2004, Brady’s 2011, Mahomes 2018, Rodgers 2011, and Brady 2007 by Quarterbacks in the last 15 seasons.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:11 pm to ClientNumber9
Unfortunately any QB that is a starter for 15-20 years is likely to be considered for the HOF.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:15 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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And just to throw this out there, Matt Ryan is currently tied for 27th all time in Approximate Value with Marshall Faulk and Warren Moon. Every player ahead of his is either already in the Hall or is a no doubter (Rodgers, Peppers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Brees, Brady, and Manning).
Rivers is by all means not a no doubter.
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n fact, when it comes to single season AV, Ryan’s best season (21 in 2016) is higher than Brees career best (20 in 2011) and is only surpassed by Manning’s 2004, Brady’s 2011, Mahomes 2018, Rodgers 2011, and Brady 2007 by Quarterbacks in the last 15 seasons.
Yes and guess where Brees is ranked career wise? No.3 while Ryan as you said is 27th. See, PFR who you yourself brought up to support to your point, doesn't see Ryan as anywhere close to Brees.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:18 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Ryan is probably seen as closer to Rivers (he does have a better shot than Rivers) than he is Brees.
If they both retired today Rivers would get in well before Ryan
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:20 pm to ClientNumber9
No he needs at least 2 more seasons as a top 5 QB
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:29 pm to 1BamaRTR
The only real difference in their stats is volume.
Brees has also benefitted from having coaching stability with that coach being rightfully regarded as one of the best offensive minded head coaches of the 21st century in the NFL.
And someone brought up their postseason play - Ryan actually has a slightly higher passer rating in the playoffs (100.8 to 100). Their stats are practically the same save for one noticeable one:
Brees has been sacked 26 times in 615 playoff pass attempts.
Ryan has been sacked 25 times in 351 playoff pass attempts.
Ryan has had the better skill position players around him compared to Brees, but Brees has clearly had the better offensive line, which is more important for a QB anyways.
Brees has also benefitted from having coaching stability with that coach being rightfully regarded as one of the best offensive minded head coaches of the 21st century in the NFL.
And someone brought up their postseason play - Ryan actually has a slightly higher passer rating in the playoffs (100.8 to 100). Their stats are practically the same save for one noticeable one:
Brees has been sacked 26 times in 615 playoff pass attempts.
Ryan has been sacked 25 times in 351 playoff pass attempts.
Ryan has had the better skill position players around him compared to Brees, but Brees has clearly had the better offensive line, which is more important for a QB anyways.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:33 pm to 1BamaRTR
Brees has been in the NFL for 5 seasons longer you dumbass, of course he has more career AV accumulated.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:35 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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And someone brought up their postseason play - Ryan actually has a slightly higher passer rating in the playoffs (100.8 to 100).
Matt Ryan is 4-6 as a playoff starter, which again just screams HoF to me
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:38 pm to ClientNumber9
He should not be.
His numbers are inflated due to the era we are playing in.
And there are at least 4 or 5 contemporary QBs better than him.
Hall of very good, maybe. Hall of Fame...NO
His numbers are inflated due to the era we are playing in.
And there are at least 4 or 5 contemporary QBs better than him.
Hall of very good, maybe. Hall of Fame...NO
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:42 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Ok here’s the thing, Ryan is not seen as anywhere near the QB Brees is. Doesn’t matter what you think.
Have you considered Brees has had superior pocket awareness and ball release?
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Brees has been sacked 26 times in 615 playoff pass attempts.
Ryan has been sacked 25 times in 351 playoff pass attempts.
Have you considered Brees has had superior pocket awareness and ball release?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:42 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Not much of a fan of Brees at all but Brees is the most statistically dominant QB of all-time. Leading the league in passing yards seven times and passing TDs four times in an era with Manning, Brady, and Rodgers is nothing short of unbelievable.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 7:43 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Then Brees wouldn’t be getting in as Rodgers, Manning, and Brady are all better than him
That’s debatable.
I would take Brees over Rogers and Manning.
Hell Brees beat Manning when it mattered most.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:07 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Brees has been in the NFL for 5 seasons longer you dumbass, of course he has more career AV accumulated.
Guess who’s had significantly more seasons since 2008 ranking top 5 and top 10 among QBs in AV. Not Matt Ryan.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:12 pm to ClientNumber9
Yes.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:15 pm to 1BamaRTR
The other thing to consider about Ryan is that he's about to enter - without hyperbole - probably the most unprecedented salary cap crisis any team has ever had. If you've looked at the percentages the Falcons are gonna have tied up in a handful of players, it's really unbelievable.
I don't think the next 2-3 years for those guys are gonna be prime stat-padding fodder if you know what I mean
I don't think the next 2-3 years for those guys are gonna be prime stat-padding fodder if you know what I mean
Posted on 11/29/19 at 8:20 pm to EmperorGout
If Ryan puts in 4 more seasons of decent play he will be in. Anything less will be very close.
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