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re: Is LIV golf killing the professional sport of golf?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
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That was in 1971 before Ryan ever became an all star
You mean players can play better in the future than they have in the past? Hmmmmmmm.
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:17 pm to BBONDS25
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Nolan Ryan and four others traded for Jim fregosi. MLB cannot be taken seriously.
Jim Fregosi was a perennial all-star in his prime. Ryan was 24 years old with massive control issues, having a dreadful second half of the season his last year in NY. The Mets already had an amazing staff with Tom Seaver. That wasn't viewed as a bad trade when it happened
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:20 pm to lsufball19
Sixers traded league MVP Wilt Chamberlain for Darrell Imhoff, Archie Clark, and Jerry Chambers. NBA can’t be taken seriously.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
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This isn’t close to being true. Gooch is around 5th off the board for Liv
So even by your standards, he's not Mahomes. Wolff is pretty mid so he's definitely not Mac Jones in this situation.
Off the top of my head guys for sure going off the board before him are Rahm, Smith, DJ, Brooks, Ancer, Bryson, Niemann, Reed, and possibly guys like Kokrak, Mito, Louis, Casey, Varner. Have to look at the full list but maybe not 15 but definitely not 5.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:22 pm to BBONDS25
Wolff, in fairness, has been pretty shitty for several years. He wasn't playing well when he left the PGA Tour. He and Gooch have had pretty inverse trajectories. And these LIV teams don't seem to be signing guys on multi-year deal with one specific teams. The teams seems to pretty fluid. If we're looking short-term with these team events on LIV, I think it's a pretty illogical trade at the moment and, based on comments from Brooks and Bubba, also appears to be personal and not so much golf-related.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:23 pm to BBONDS25
Because due to precedent, Chamberlain demanded to be traded to the west coast and threatened to jump to the ABA if not
You are an absolute bot that you can’t just say this trade is a joke and undermines the team aspect. Bubba even admitted to the reason he did this trade. For personal reasons on feelings.
You are an absolute bot that you can’t just say this trade is a joke and undermines the team aspect. Bubba even admitted to the reason he did this trade. For personal reasons on feelings.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:24 pm to lsufball19
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also appears to be personal and not so much golf-related.
Agreed. This happens in other sports too.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:25 pm to lsufball19
For the LIV fans out there, does anyone actually give a shite about the team aspect?
Do you have a favorite team regardless of who is on that team or are just cheering for your favorite player by proxy?
Do you have a favorite team regardless of who is on that team or are just cheering for your favorite player by proxy?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:absolutely not
Off the top of my head guys for sure going off the board before him are Rahm, Smith, DJ, Brooks, Ancer, Bryson, Niemann, Reed, and possibly guys like Kokrak, Mito, Louis, Casey, Varner.
After Cam, Bryson, and Brooks, gooch would absolutely be one of the next few off the board
Even before LIV he was ahead of most of those guys you listed. His last season he rose to 30th on the fed ex
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:26 pm to BBONDS25
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Sixers traded league MVP Wilt Chamberlain for Darrell Imhoff, Archie Clark, and Jerry Chambers. NBA can’t be taken seriously.
Chamberlain allegedly threatened to go to the ABA if they didn't broker the deal. Whatever the case, are you just googling "worst trades in sports history" as a gotcha to pride? I mean, as of now, the Gooch/Wolff trade is not a good trade. It's just not. You can admit that without going into a deep dive into whether or not that trade delegitimizes LIV as a league.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:27 pm to Broski
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For the LIV fans out there, does anyone actually give a shite about the team aspect?
Not as much as I like the individual event, but it does keep everyone involved.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
It was a ridiculous trade. But, despite what I am sure is 15 pages forthcoming from you, yes it does.
49ers trading up to get Lance at QB
Lou Brock to the Cardinals
Babe Ruth to the Yanks
Saints entire draft for Ricky Williams
Need I go on?
49ers trading up to get Lance at QB
Lou Brock to the Cardinals
Babe Ruth to the Yanks
Saints entire draft for Ricky Williams
Need I go on?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:29 pm to SoFla Tideroller
None of their examples you listed was a team trading a known great player for a known struggling bad player because they wanted to help them out 
It’s a ridiculous premise
It’s a ridiculous premise Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:29 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Yes, I think so. I think the PGA tour response has been panic and bluster but I also think...what are they supposed to do? There is no appreciable way that Jon Rahm is worth 600mm in marketable dollars. He's just not. Same for Dustin and the other guys. It's all because people who have enough money that every thing in life is ..free, want to do this. Operating costs are irrelevant. By the time you read this whole thread ...the backers have probably made enough to cover Dustin Johnson's costs. It's like if the US govt wanted a state run football league and uses it's resources to build and NIL platform and compete against the SEC for players. When Jayden Daniels goes to that league with a $50 million dollar contract... Are you thinking " LSU should have done something...should have listened to him" ? No.
Again the PGA tour needed to improve on some things ( caddy life, lower end players, a couple more overseas exceptions... ) but the cut line , the charity work etc those are synonymous with the tour and no change or changes would give them the monetary power of the PIF
Because even the LIV states it generated little to no revenue ..so it's hard to complete against when you have to manage against a bottom line and your competition doesn't
Again the PGA tour needed to improve on some things ( caddy life, lower end players, a couple more overseas exceptions... ) but the cut line , the charity work etc those are synonymous with the tour and no change or changes would give them the monetary power of the PIF
Because even the LIV states it generated little to no revenue ..so it's hard to complete against when you have to manage against a bottom line and your competition doesn't
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:30 pm to lsufball19
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Chamberlain allegedly threatened to go to the ABA if they didn't broker the deal
So it wasn’t about basketball. It was personal. Got it.
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Whatever the case, are you just googling "worst trades in sports history" as a gotcha to pride?
I gave one example from each of the three major sports that are pretty widely known. I guess I could have brought up trading Ruth for cash?
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deep dive into whether or not that trade delegitimizes LIV as a league.
That is precisely what pride said and what I was responding to. Thanks for your input, though.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:31 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I don't think it's fair to include draft day trades of Lance and Ricky in those deals because those trades, while incredibly risky in the amount they gave up, were done with the misguided thinking that they were getting their face of the franchise.
The Babe Ruth trade doesn't apply either considering the sole purpose of the Ruth purchase was to fund a broadway play. A completely different time where theater was more important than baseball.
The Babe Ruth trade doesn't apply either considering the sole purpose of the Ruth purchase was to fund a broadway play. A completely different time where theater was more important than baseball.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:32 pm to BBONDS25
The fact you have a captain admitting they gave away the league winner for a player who is absolutely struggling because “they want to help them out and the move them” absolutely delegitimizes the competitive nature of the team aspect
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:32 pm to lsupride87
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After Cam, Bryson, and Brooks, gooch would absolutely be one of the next few off the board
You think Gooch is for sure a better golfer than DJ, Rahm, Niemann, and Bryson?
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Even before LIV he was ahead of most of those guys you listed. His last season he rose to 30th on the fed ex
Based off pre LIV world rankings he'd go 12th off the board.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:32 pm to BBONDS25
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BBONDS25
Is there a particular reason you feel the need to be condescending with every post you make to anyone who doesn't agree with you? It's really not necessary
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:33 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I listed Bryson ahead of him, and didn’t include Rahm because he wasn’t in the league last year
You think Gooch is for sure a better golfer than DJ, Rahm, Niemann, and Bryson?
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