- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Is Jacob deGrom a lock for the hall of fame?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:09 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:09 pm to Lester Earl
DeGrom- 3 seasons over 200 innings
Koufax - 3 seasons over 300 innings
Who do you want on your staff? A horse like Koufax, or a resident of the injured list?
Koufax - 3 seasons over 300 innings
Who do you want on your staff? A horse like Koufax, or a resident of the injured list?
0
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:21 pm to barry
quote:
Koufax led the league in k/9 6 times, WHIP four times, FIP six times, k's four times, ERA five times, and k/bb three times
All in a 6 year period
I mean yea, certainly dominant especially the stretch to end his career, but also played In an era with just 20MLB teams
DeGrom will pass him in WAR by the end of the year. He has a much better ERA+, more K's, and less walks on average. DeGRom does not have the counting stats but his body of work when he has pitched puts him in discussions with players like Koufax
Posted on 8/4/25 at 6:49 pm to Paul Allen
Injuries is what will be the reason he won’t be in the Hall
Injuries is also what ended what could have been the greatest season ever by a pitcher in MLB history. That 2021 was going to be insane
Injuries is also what ended what could have been the greatest season ever by a pitcher in MLB history. That 2021 was going to be insane
Posted on 8/4/25 at 7:16 pm to SPEEDY
That's one third of a season
Posted on 8/4/25 at 9:00 pm to Lester Earl
Those three Cy Youngs Koufax won were when there was one award for all of MLB, not one in each league.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 10:12 pm to FightinTigersDammit
It’s still amazing stats no matter the length of the season
Posted on 8/4/25 at 10:28 pm to Paul Allen
It's a hot streak.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 11:02 pm to Paul Allen
Maybe not a lock but 2 more seasons similar to this and yes he is in. That takes him to age 39, doable
Posted on 8/5/25 at 1:29 am to Paul Allen
Only 3 modern era starters have gotten in over the last 10 years (Halladay, Mussina, and now CC). “Locks” are not really a thing with the self-righteous Cooperstown hall monitors
His best stuff is 100% equal to that of the current Big 4 who will end up with stronger bodies of work (Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, Greinke), it will just come down to longevity arguments. Those 4 will end up between 3,000 - 3,500 innings but he’ll only end up with 2,000 - 2,500. That said, his WAR/162 is better than all of them (7th all-time). If you normalize volume, he’s their peer in essentially all key metrics (including SO-BB ratio, for which he is baseball’s all-time career leader)
It’s not his fault at all but he’ll also be missing postseason support to his argument from only making it twice (as it stands). That said, 4-1 in 5 games is pretty fricking good. Kind of a microcosm of his career that when he’s actually out there he’s as good as it gets
I don’t know why the OP is getting downvoted to oblivion outside of the “lock” notion. It’s going to be close and every year he’s able to get through like this it’s going to be easier for voters to adjust for the injuries. This season arguably saved his candidacy
His best stuff is 100% equal to that of the current Big 4 who will end up with stronger bodies of work (Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, Greinke), it will just come down to longevity arguments. Those 4 will end up between 3,000 - 3,500 innings but he’ll only end up with 2,000 - 2,500. That said, his WAR/162 is better than all of them (7th all-time). If you normalize volume, he’s their peer in essentially all key metrics (including SO-BB ratio, for which he is baseball’s all-time career leader)
It’s not his fault at all but he’ll also be missing postseason support to his argument from only making it twice (as it stands). That said, 4-1 in 5 games is pretty fricking good. Kind of a microcosm of his career that when he’s actually out there he’s as good as it gets
I don’t know why the OP is getting downvoted to oblivion outside of the “lock” notion. It’s going to be close and every year he’s able to get through like this it’s going to be easier for voters to adjust for the injuries. This season arguably saved his candidacy
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 3:39 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 2:33 am to Translator
quote:The thing is Lincecum’s quality fell apart after the injuries. Degrom’s hasn’t
Same like Lincecum. 4-5 years of elite level of play isn't enough.
2021 - Elbow injury ended historic season in August
2022 - Separate offseason shoulder injury, couldn’t play till August
2023 - UCL tear and Tommy John in June
2024 - Returned from Tommy John in September
2025 - All-Star, currently 12th in ERA and 5th in WHIP
In that 3-season injury hell of 2022-2024, he put up an aggregate ERA of 2.81 and WHIP of 0.787. Coming off of repeated rehab, his numbers over some stretch of this span “should” be average to mediocre - he “should” have a season or two of a 5+ ERA. But he doesn’t. To still be able to maintain his standard among that stretch of misery furthers his HOF case
Writing his candidacy off based on career numbers and punishing him for injuries that have not even entailed a dip in quality is lazy. In most cases I think the Mets and anyone associated with them can go frick themselves, but I’ll be bummed if the voters don't see reason here
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 4:11 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:29 am to Paul Allen
No pitcher with less than 200 wins should get into the HoF
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:44 am to DJ3K
quote:In 2018 Degrom started a full 32 games. He won the Cy Young on the back of a 1.70 ERA, 0.912 WHIP, 5.85 SO/BB season. Easily the best pitcher in the league that year
wins
He went 10-9
He won the Cy Young again next year. He went 11-8
It’s 2025. It’s time to stop pretending wins are a relevant criterion. We stopped doing it for QBs, and with a little courage we can do it for pitchers too
Posted on 8/5/25 at 6:47 am to Paul Allen
quote:
2 Cy Young Awards
So does Tim Lincecum.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:01 am to RemouladeSawce
quote:wins will never not be relevant because it’s the whole reason you strive for those stats…
It’s 2025. It’s time to stop pretending wins are a relevant criterion. We stopped doing it for QBs, and with a little courage we can do it for pitchers too
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:16 am to chalmetteowl
quote:
wins will never not be relevant because it’s the whole reason you strive for those stats…
The metric incorporates the direct performance of 9 other players. That’s how a Top 3 pitcher in baseball doesn’t even have a winning record
This is a genuinely retarded hill to die on
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 7:18 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:20 am to RemouladeSawce
If there were still only one Cy Young award, he wouldn't have any.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:34 am to RemouladeSawce
quote:
. That’s how a Top 3 pitcher in baseball doesn’t even have a winning record
If you’re top 3, eventually your W-L record should reflect that though. It denotes going deep into games and longevity, which is what you pay your starting pitcher to do.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 7:37 am
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:45 am to DJ3K
So if Paul Skenes signs a 10 year deal with the Pirates and they never turn it around but he's an all time great he shouldn't get in? That's absurd.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:46 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Which isn’t a thing as much as it was in the past, hence why the metric is being increasingly discarded
If you’re top 3, eventually your W-L record should reflect that though. It denotes going deep into games and longevity
Posted on 8/5/25 at 7:50 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:His 2018 season beats Snell’s in almost every conceivable way, so nah
If there were still only one Cy Young award, he wouldn't have any.
Page 2 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News