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re: If Peyton wins on Sunday, he will have a higher Super Bowl win % than Brady
Posted on 1/31/14 at 2:53 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/31/14 at 2:53 pm to RollTide1987
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Lawrence Taylor supports Joe Montana over Peyton Manning and I do, too.
I'm sorry, an extremely valid point could be made for choosing Montana of Manning, but quoting Lawrence Taylor is not it.
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:09 pm to Choupique19
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I'm sorry, an extremely valid point could be made for choosing Montana of Manning, but quoting Lawrence Taylor is not it.
Why not? LT played in the same era as Montana and both are considered to be the best player to ever play at their particular position.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:17 pm to RollTide1987
For one thing, you're always going to say the guy from your era is better.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:18 pm to theunknownknight
quote:But not if he loses?
IF Manning wins Sunday he'll be the GOAT
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:32 pm to TotesMcGotes
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For one thing, you're always going to say the guy from your era is better.
True. But that doesn't make his opinion any less valid than you or me.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:51 pm to oleyeller
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ahh the old montana..so overrated. Jerry rice made him, perfect example is steve young, 49ers never missed a beat.. common denominator - jerry rice
You realize Jerry Rice wasn't on all Montana's Super Bowl teams right?
Thought not.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:54 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Holy sample size Batman.
I am sorry I forgot to include QBs who have played in 100s of Super Bowls in order to get a significant sample size.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
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Why not?
Getting busted with a 14 year old hooker and blow invalidates his opinion. How many arrests does it take for one to be declared a dumbarse?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 3:58 pm to hikingfan
Super Bowls are team accomplishments
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:10 pm to theunknownknight
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You realize Jerry Rice wasn't on all Montana's Super Bowl teams right?
Jerry Rice was only present on the '88 and '89 Super Bowl teams. Montana had dick to work with in '81 and still won the title. He also didn't have a truly dominant receiver threat in 1984 and yet went 15-1 and beat Marino and the Dolphins in the Super Bowl.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:14 pm to RollTide1987
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Montana in 81
Threw the game winning td pass with 51 seconds left. That was plenty of time for Joe Flacco to complete a 78 yard td pass against Manning. I guess the 49er defense was better than the Broncos defense.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:14 pm to HandGrenade
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Super Bowls are team accomplishments
A quarterback's legacy depends upon them though. Marino was probably the best pure passer the game has ever seen. He threw for over 5,000 yards in 1984 when the rules were against the QB. It took 22 years for another QB to hit 5,000 yards passing on the year. Now it's a regular occurrence.
That being said, he isn't in the GOAT discussion because he never won a Super Bowl. And before you throw your Trent Dilfer argument at me, Marino is still considered to be one of the best QBs to ever play the game. Dilfer, despite his Super Bowl win, is not. But when you are trying to make an argument for Montana, Manning, Marino, Elway, etc. in the GOAT debate, Super Bowls MUST be taken into account.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:22 pm to RollTide1987
quote:FIFY
But when you are trying to make an argument for Montana, Manning, Marino, Elway, etc. in the GOAT debate, Super Bowls MUST be taken into account if you are a simpleton who cant think for themselves
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:33 pm to lsupride87
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FIFY
I really love it when people use this argument. They think they are so much smarter than everyone else because they think differently from the majority. We must be stupid because we fall in line with the majority of sports writers, analysts, historians and the like who use Super Bowl victories as a major criteria for judging which QB is the best. Championships matter because they are absolute.
The rules of the game change over time. In the 60s and 70s it was almost impossible to pass the football because of the way the rules were. We dismiss QBs like Starr, Namath, Bradshaw, and Stabler because their numbers don't jive with the numbers of the elite QBs of today. If Manning were alive in that era he would have had just as tough of a time as those guys did completing a pass because the rules of the game at that time favored the defense.
So how do you account for the differences in eras, especially when you are comparing one Super Bowl QB against another? You look at championships. Because since January 1967, when the Super Bowl was first played, the method of crowning a champion has remained the same throughout. The rules of the game have not.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:38 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And that's ridiculous.
A quarterback's legacy depends upon them though
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:39 pm to shel311
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And that's ridiculous.
I disagree.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:40 pm to RollTide1987
quote:When judging teams, I agree.
Championships matter because they are absolute
quote:No.
So how do you account for the differences in eras, especially when you are comparing one Super Bowl QB against another? You look at championships
quote:How do you account for expansion? There were 14 teams in 1967, more than twice that now, so 1 Super Bowl in the 2000s should count for at like 2.2 championships in the 60s, right?
Because since January 1967, when the Super Bowl was first played, the method of crowning a champion has remained the same throughout. The rules of the game have not.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:42 pm to oleyeller
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ahh the old montana..so overrated. Jerry rice made him, perfect example is steve young, 49ers never missed a beat.. common denominator - jerry rice
Montana won a super bowl without rice though
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:44 pm to shel311
frick Tom Brady, GLA. That is all.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:45 pm to Urban OhiO
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Manning has played with double the pro bowlers than has Brady. He should have a higher percentage.
Brady played with MUCH better defenses. In fact, since they've gone downhill defensively, they've won ZERO titles. Won't even get into spygate.
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