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re: If Peyton wins on Sunday, he will have a higher Super Bowl win % than Brady
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:06 pm to shel311
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:06 pm to shel311
quote:Once again, they cant answer that. They use the championship argument because they are lazy, but when faced with points like this they know they are wrong, but wont change. People have to have a definitive absolute answer to things, and the championship argument satisfies this even though they know it is flawed
Do you think the Broncos would have this many wins and be in the Super Bowl if they had the 2012 Saints defense? Does that make Peyton any better or worse as a QB?
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:06 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Wait, you said championships are absolute, this is completely contradicting that statement.
It depends on how he wins the game
quote:What if he doesn't? You did a nice job of completely sidestepping my last 2 questions, unfortunately.
If he goes 7-7 on the final drive and throws the game winner with seconds to spare his legacy will be incredible
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:07 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And yet you agree that this should have an effect on Peyton's legacy, something he has no control over?
No. But I still believe they'd be in the Super Bowl anyways.
I'm trying to understand how you don't see the absurdity of that.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:07 pm to lsupride87
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Straight up Brady sucked in that Super Bowl. There is no other way to put it
He was magnificent in the final minute and a half. He led his team down the field with 80 seconds to play and set up the game winning field goal.
As I said before...you can be shite for 58 minutes of the game but if you come through in the clutch in those final 2 minutes, you are a legend.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:08 pm to shel311
quote:What if he does this, but then his team gives up a TD return with 3 seconds left. He then isnt good again right?
If he goes 7-7 on the final drive and throws the game winner with seconds to spare his legacy will be incredible
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:08 pm to RollTide1987
quote:You do realize if you were great for the 1st 58 minutes, you would win by double digits, right? But in your eyes, that's less impressive. Again, how do you not see how silly that is?
He was magnificent in the final minute and a half. He led his team down the field with 80 seconds to play and set up the game winning field goal.
As I said before...you can be shite for 58 minutes of the game but if you come through in the clutch in those final 2 minutes, you are a legend.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:Legacy tarnished!
What if he does this, but then his team gives up a TD return with 3 seconds left. He then isnt good again right?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:09 pm to shel311
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And yet you agree that this should have an effect on Peyton's legacy, something he has no control over?
Where did I say a team's record in the regular season should have an effect on a QB's legacy.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:10 pm to shel311
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You do realize if you were great for the 1st 58 minutes, you would win by double digits, right?
And that's the difference between QBs like Brady and a QB like Montana. Joe Montana was great for all 60 minutes of the game. That's why he has 3 Super Bowl MVPs and 4 Super Bowl rings.
If I were arguing Tom Brady as the GOAT at the QB position you would have a point.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:10 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Umm, he had to rely on his kicker to make a 48 yard field goal. So if his kicker missed, he isnt a legend right?
He was magnificent in the final minute and a half. He led his team down the field with 80 seconds to play and set up the game winning field goal.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:10 pm to RollTide1987
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Where did I say a team's record in the regular season should have an effect on a QB's legacy.
You said he wouldn't win the Super Bowl, right?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:12 pm to lsupride87
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Umm, he had to rely on his kicker to make a 48 yard field goal. So if his kicker missed, he isnt a legend right?
But his kicker didn't miss. If you want to argue hypotheticals you and I could march to the Help Board and ask them to create an Alternate History board so we can debate what would have happened had this event occurred instead of this one.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:12 pm to RollTide1987
Ok, Aikman is better than both.
It's a fricking team sport. 21 other starters are required plus the bench for a win. I get tired of crediting quarterbacks with everything, it's unrealistic.
It's a fricking team sport. 21 other starters are required plus the bench for a win. I get tired of crediting quarterbacks with everything, it's unrealistic.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:13 pm to shel311
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You said he wouldn't win the Super Bowl, right?
No. I said they'd still be in the Super Bowl.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:13 pm to TexasTiger1185
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Ok, Aikman is better than both.
Aikman doesn't have the stats Brady and Manning have. You have to look at both.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:14 pm to RollTide1987
quote:No, im proving how stupid it is to judge a QB based on wins. 100% the game winning play didnt even involve Brady
But his kicker didn't miss. If you want to argue hypotheticals you and I could march to the Help Board and ask them to create an Alternate History board so we can debate what would have happened had this event occurred instead of this one.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:16 pm to lsupride87
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No, im proving how stupid it is to judge a QB based on wins.
No. You are taking half of my argument and trying to turn it into my full argument. The legacy of a QB isn't judged on championships alone. But when you are trying to separate guys like Manning and Montana, you have to turn to how they did in the postseason.
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100% the game winning play didnt even involve Brady
Yet that play doesn't happen if not for Brady.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:24 pm to shel311
quote:
Wait, you said championships are absolute, this is completely contradicting that statement.
What do we remember most? Brady leading a Super Bowl winning drive in the final seconds or Kurt Warner throwing for nearly 400 yards in a valiant (but losing) effort against a tough Patriots defense?
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What if he doesn't? You did a nice job of completely sidestepping my last 2 questions, unfortunately.
If he doesn't he still wins. We all know how great of a QB he is. Another Super Bowl ring, no matter how he earns it, will add to his legacy.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:25 pm to RollTide1987
He won 3 Super Bowls and an MVP.
Brady threw for 145 yards and just over 50% with one TD in one of his. What are you talking about?
Aikman was 22/30 for 270 yards and 4 TD in his MVP game. So you're right, he doesn't have the stats of Brady
Brady threw for 145 yards and just over 50% with one TD in one of his. What are you talking about?
Aikman was 22/30 for 270 yards and 4 TD in his MVP game. So you're right, he doesn't have the stats of Brady
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:27 pm to TexasTiger1185
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So you're right, he doesn't have the stats of Brady
What do his career stats look like? Did he ever throw for 50 touchdowns in a season? Or how about 5,000 yards in a single season?
I am not talking about their stats in the Super Bowl. I'm talking about their stats over a career.
Aikman is definitely a Top 10-15 all-time QB though.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:28 pm
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