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re: If Peyton wins on Sunday, he will have a higher Super Bowl win % than Brady
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:46 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:46 pm to RollTide1987
quote:No, they are used by the majority because the majority is lazy. They want an easy way out, so they chose to use championships. 1 player out of 22 who isnt even on the field of play for half of the game. It is absolutely moronic to use championships for football. I dont agree with it completely for basketball either, but it at least makes sense for basketball because it is 1 of 5 and you are on the court the entire game
Championships matter because they are absolute.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 4:50 pm
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:48 pm to shel311
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When judging teams, I agree.
And QBs. But yeah. I agree with that, too.
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No
Yes.
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How do you account for expansion? There were 14 teams in 1967
There were 15 teams in the NFL and 9 teams in the AFL. A grand total of 24 teams competing for the Super Bowl title in 1966-67. How many teams are there now? 32?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:50 pm to Byron Bojangles III
okay, how about this.
If Manning were to win come Sunday, he'd be tied with Brady for #s of MVP.
how about that comparison between those two.
If Manning were to win come Sunday, he'd be tied with Brady for #s of MVP.
how about that comparison between those two.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:50 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Half of the game he isnt even on the field. Let me repeat, he is 1 of 22 players and he isnt even on the field for half of the entire game.
And QBs
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:51 pm to lsupride87
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No, they are used by the majority because the majority is lazy. They want an easy way out, so they chose to use championships.
Stats as well as championships are a good way to look at a QB's legacy IMO.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:52 pm to RollTide1987
quote:The QB throws the ball about 30 ish times per game...out of 120 plays, and plays zero snaps all season on defense, 50% of the game.
And QBs
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:53 pm to lsupride87
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Half of the game he isnt even on the field. Let me repeat, he is 1 of 22 players and he isnt even on the field for half of the entire game.
But he's the most important player on the team. So he matters just a little bit more than the other 21 players on the field. Do you think the Broncos would even be in the playoffs if Tebow were the QB instead of Manning? More often than not, it's the franchise QB who gets his team into the playoffs.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:54 pm to RollTide1987
quote:DO you think the Broncos would have this many wins and be in the Super Bowl if they had the 2012 Saints defense?
Do you think the Broncos would even be in the playoffs if Tebow were the QB instead of Manning?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:54 pm to shel311
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The QB throws the ball about 30 ish times per game...out of 120 plays, and plays zero snaps all season on defense, 50% of the game.
You have two QBs on the field for those 120 plays, each throwing the ball around 30 times a game. So they are responsible for 50% or more of the team's offensive production. It's the offense's job to score points and the QB is the most important part of that job. His position matters more than the others.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:55 pm to hikingfan
Dilfer has a higher % than both. Who fricking cares?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:56 pm to shel311
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DO you think the Broncos would have this many wins and be in the Super Bowl if they had the 2012 Saints defense?
The Saints defense in 2012 was a product of bountygate. Had that scandal never hit your defense wouldn't have been as bad as it was.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I agree with this. But here is the biggest flaw with using your championship method. In 2001, Warner set the super bowl record for yard with 365 yards while brady had 146. Thats right, under 150 yrds passing. Yet, according to you, Brady gets the championship credit here to boost himself above warner. It is assinine. This should be a positive for Warner and a negative for Brady, but according to you and the Majority, it is the exact opposite.
But he's the most important player on the team
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:57 pm to TexasTiger1185
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Dilfer has a higher % than both.
Dilfer lacks the consistency of Brady and Manning. Using him for a counter-argument is just being intellectually lazy IMO.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:57 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Better read as 25% of the game, think about that.
You have two QBs on the field for those 120 plays, each throwing the ball around 30 times a game. So they are responsible for 50% or more of the team's offensive production.
Also, you are saying Manning will have a better legacy if he goes 17 of 35 with 3 INTs and wins 16-13 than if he goes 35 of 40 for 400 yards and 4 TDs and loses 34-31, right?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:58 pm to lsupride87
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Yet, according to you, Brady gets the championship credit here to boost himself above warner. It is assinine
And yet Brady was the MVP of the Super Bowl that year. Stats don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:58 pm to shel311
quote:According to him and the majority yes. That is exactly what he is saying. He will dance around answering this though
Also, you are saying Manning will have a better legacy if he goes 17 of 35 with 3 INTs and wins 16-13 than if he goes 35 of 40 for 400 yards and 4 TDs and loses 34-31, right?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:59 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Because they couldnt give it to the Patriots defensive unit. Straight up Brady sucked in that Super Bowl. There is no other way to put it
And yet Brady was the MVP of the Super Bowl that year. Stats don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:03 pm to RollTide1987
quote:What does that have to do with my question.
The Saints defense in 2012 was a product of bountygate. Had that scandal never hit your defense wouldn't have been as bad as it was.
Do you think the Broncos would have this many wins and be in the Super Bowl if they had the 2012 Saints defense? Does that make Peyton any better or worse as a QB?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:04 pm to shel311
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Also, you are saying Manning will have a better legacy if he goes 17 of 35 with 3 INTs and wins 16-13
It depends on how he wins the game. If he goes 7-7 on the final drive and throws the game winner with seconds to spare his legacy will be incredible. It doesn't matter what you did in the first 58 minutes. Legends are made in the final 2 minutes of the game.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:05 pm to shel311
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Do you think the Broncos would have this many wins and be in the Super Bowl if they had the 2012 Saints defense?
No. But I still believe they'd be in the Super Bowl anyways.
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