re: If Floyd Mayweather retired tomorrow

Not even in the top 10 all time.

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This is funny. I love the etc. etc. etc. And I love you trying to pass of Hill, Malinga, and Johnson as top flight boxers.

Reggie Johnson? Come on, dude, you hadn't really convinced yourself I didn't know boxing, had you?

There can be no denying that Jones fought a dearth of top notch guys. This is more glaring with respect to Jones than Mayweather. But I hate that argument as applied to both Jones and Mayweather. They fought the guys that were there.

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You are proving more and more that you don't know boxing. The early/mid 90s 160-168 climate was absolutely loaded with legitamately great fighters. Steve Collins, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Bernard Hopkins, Nigel Benn and on and on guys that were truly great with the talent and resume to back up how great they were.

Hill was the best LHW in the world for a good 7 or 8 years. He was upset by Tommy Hearns and Dariusz Michalczewski(yes a copy paste) both great fighters. Roy absolutely destroyed and then all Hill did was move up to CW and win the championship with a 1st round KO.

Hill is far better than Floyd's best win(Corrales). Reggie Johnson and Malinga is a great win as well better than any win Floyd has except Corrales.

Stop it.

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These boxers went 42-21 after fighting Mayweather. Not exactly stellar. The best of those after Mayweather were Castillo at 18-6 and Marquez at 5-1. De la Hoya was 1-1, Hatton 2-2 Gatti 1-2 and Cotto was 0-1. Big names but not exactly in the prime of their careers. Did not include Guerrero as they just fought.

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Boxers move up the ranks until they start fighting guys as good or better than them. Hatton was in his prime. Castillo and Corrales were very much in their prime. Tough to question the Marques fight after what he did to Pac. Gatti was only 29. Cotto had just beaten Mayorga and Margarito.

De La Hoya's prime was ending, for sure. And Shane Mosely should have stopped fighting a long long time ago.

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Tough to question the Marques fight after what he did to Pac

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lol 1st who is Marques
2nd Floyd dragged him up nearly 2 weight classes then didn't make weight

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Hill was the best LHW in the world for a good 7 or 8 years. He was upset by Tommy Hearns and Dariusz Michalczewski(yes a copy paste) both great fighters. Roy absolutely destroyed and then all Hill did was move up to CW and win the championship with a 1st round KO.

Hill is far better than Floyd's best win(Corrales). Reggie Johnson and Malinga is a great win as well better than any win Floyd has except Corrales.

Stop it.

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Dude, stop. Virgil Hill? Really? You're gonna put him on a pedestal? I like how you use the word "upset", btw. Nobody ever saw the one-man juggernaut of Virgil Hill losing a fight. Iconcievable.

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Reggie Johnson and Malinga is a great win as well better than any win Floyd has except Corrales.

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This is abject nonsense.

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What about it? When you fight legit top guys you lose sometimes(2 extremely close fights that many thought B-Hop won). Taylor is better than anyone Floyd has beaten since Corrales and Castillo.

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None of Mayweather's fghts have been close. He's never even been in danger of losing. Why no mention of Marquez? Who no mention of De la Hoya? Who no mention of Ricky Hatton?

You don't know boxing. Virgil Hill was the mainstay at the top of the division for 10 years and yes he was upset against Tommy Hearns who people thought was shot. Hill vs Dariusz were the 2 best LHWs in the world and Hill was the established champ.

Yes Reggie Johnson and Malinga are better wins than any since Corrales you can choose not to accept it but they are better more established and more proven than any of the guys Floyd has fought the past 10 years or so.

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None of Mayweather's fghts have been close. He's never even been in danger of losing.

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LMAO there is no difference in the closeness of Hopkins fights with Taylor and Floyd's 1st fight with Castillo all 3 fights could of gone either way. Floyd was definitely in danger of losing to DLH also.

Hatton was clearly Floyd's second best win which is funny because Hopkins Barrera Jones Jr Pacquiao etc each have several wins as good.

Floyd gets no credit for Marquez. The fight was a joke you don't drag a guy up nearly 2 divisions and then still miss weight.

Floyd Mayweather is a Top 10 P4P fighter of all time. Anyone who thinks otherwise really needs to find a new sport to follow.

His defense, speed, overall athleticism and ring generalship would make him a great fighter in any era. Those four factors would make him the favorite against almost every fighter in boxing history (we're speaking in P4P terms).

There is not a doubt in my mind that he would have owned every one of the fighters that he should have fought but didn't: Pacquiao, Williams, prime Cotto, prime Mosley, Margarito, etc. The ONLY two that would have given him trouble is Sergio Martinez at 154 (if the fight would have taken place in 2011 or 2012) and De La Hoya before Oscar was a part time fighter.

BUT, the fact that those names either aren't on his resume or ended up on his resume years too late is a red flag when we're talking #1 all time. That fact that he DIDN'T destroy Pacquiao at the height of his popularity in 2010, Paul Williams in 2008, Cotto in 2008, Mosley a decade ago, etc. is a problem. We're left with fights that happened long after they should have or hypothetical outcomes of fights that never took place.

Bottom line...SUGAR RAY ROBINSON is #1 all time when talking about the P4P greatest. IMO no one even comes close. The man absolutely terrorized people in his prime. Do you know that in his prime, Robinson's record was 121-1-3?

Btw, get out of here with that RJJ > Mayweather crap. Roy was 100% reflexes and when he lost that, he turned to garbage. He doesn't have the pure boxing skills, defense or ability to make adjustments the way Floyd has done over the last 17 years.

And I'll continue to at all the "Pac would kill Floyd" people. You people seriously need to get a clue and learn that "STYLES MAKE FIGHTS".



And since we're talking P4P and all time greats, how bout this hypothetical matchup: Carlos Monzon vs Marvin Hagler. That would have been simply epic.

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This is the biggest knock against pretty boy floyd. It was his business model. He still made the huge paydays, but the fans really were cheated out of seeing the best vs. the best in their primes. Floyd is a bad man tho.

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Agreed. If the man would have simply made the fights happen, no one would have a reason to knock him. But he chose to make negotiations complicated or didn't bother with them in some cases and that's why people criticize and/or don't respect him.

The problem is he's a businessman and not a fighter. I still put the majority of the blame on Bob Arum for the failed Pacquiao fight.